Rodney shows up in Reno
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Lee Brett was starting to rant about the magic rack and pattern racking at the Reno event and that him and Rodney should start their own events. Shane responded with something like you knew the rules why did you play. There was some more remarks and Shane said something like you that it's about showing respect to the promoters and just playing pool. It's nice to see top players not agreeing with this poor attitudes, there was more stuff with Lee acting up or something I forget all of it and after saying good post to Shane's comment I was blocked lol
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That was so good, it's worth seeing in another post. :grin:
That's the way you pronounce CS!
I had to update my post with this link.
JoeyA
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In retrospect, it kind of makes me sad I (we) contributed to entering Lee into the US Open 8 Ball last year. Seems he's not quite what I thought. Oh well. Live and learn. Maybe this year an AZ member will come forward needing entry assistance in Vegas. What will we do then?
Lyn
Altho I can fully appreciate your post Watchez and the thoughts that you have conveyed,
in reality, it was Rodney's words and actions that got him into hot water.
I am almost positive that Mark would prefer that in the long run, it will be Rodney's words and actions that will turn this around if possible.
Sure, sometimes having an independent arbitrator, is the best course of action.
I doubt not so much this time or in this situation.
It was Rod that did the damage, it should be him that does damage control. And I think we have all been witness to that so far. Not going all that great.
Hey, maybe they do things different on the Islands.
Please pass the Poi, Cck sucker.
I thought the exact same Lyn. I had originally made a thread asking for help for Lee. I felt that he had been slighted by his employer, Boner Ball, and could use a leg up both financially and a bit of emotional support from us.
I only donated $25 but you can be sure that will be the last donation that Lee will receive from myself.
I felt much better donating some money to Mark Cantrell so some of his sons friends could also attend Bible Camp.
That sort of stuff I will always do.
As far as any other Pro coming forward asking for help in the future, it was Lee and a couple of other Pros that will assure that no help will be coming from my bank account.
You only need to get burnt a couple of times.
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Thanks to all of you members who've sent me messages and kind words.
They say time heal all wounds. I hope there is not only some healing with the
primary players here but those of you who seemed so offended by bad behavior.
There was no act of murder here, no felonies, no major crimes.
To grow we always have to confront contradictions with criticism and self criticism.
But we cant not talk with each other and hold a grudge. If we don't we stop growing.
For those of you who sent links and memories of Deadwood I thank you.
It was a real joy and there is no one on the crew, cast, or admin that didn't love
the work and each other. We still keep in touch with each other and are proud when
each other does some great work on other shows. In some other time I'd be glad to share stories about the show with some of you.
Nite C#@kS*ck#rs!
They say time heal all wounds. I hope there is not only some healing with the
primary players here but those of you who seemed so offended by bad behavior.
There was no act of murder here, no felonies, no major crimes.
To grow we always have to confront contradictions with criticism and self criticism.
But we cant not talk with each other and hold a grudge. If we don't we stop growing.
For those of you who sent links and memories of Deadwood I thank you.
It was a real joy and there is no one on the crew, cast, or admin that didn't love
the work and each other. We still keep in touch with each other and are proud when
each other does some great work on other shows. In some other time I'd be glad to share stories about the show with some of you.
Nite C#@kS*ck#rs!
Having to tell your backer that he needs more money to cover a late fee?
Living paycheck to paycheck and having to pay your bills...Pool is tough.
I have a feeling in his book he will discuss it.
John Morra chimed in there, as well. It was sad and yet interesting to see them go off publically on facebook after all the Rodney stuff went down, very recently.
And yes, it was good to see SVB stand up, publically, against it. And he took crap for it. Yet he answered the crap-flingers rather well...
Its been interesting to watch Shane mature over the years. He's at the point now where he has the confidence to go his own way.
John Morra is a good guy. I spoke with him at the restaurant tonight at dinner and we discussed for a little bit all thats going on. He's a young man trying to make his way and doing a pretty good job of navigating the treacherous waters of this game. I disagree with some of what he posted on that thread but respect the fact he has his viewpoint and is entitled to it.
As I told John tonight I hope EVERYONE cools out with this public Facebook back and forth. Pro pool is very small world and even though there is contention on many fronts at the end of the day everyone is in the same boat. Some guys you just have to not do business with when they give you a reason but I hope most people in the game come to decide that private matters are best handled privately. The matters that should be handled in public should be done dispassionately and up front.
I've been too public on a few topics so I have looked inward and decided to change how I go about things after watching the recent social media exchanges.
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I hope you don't become TOO reticent.....
...some of your diatribes have been works of art.
he can always get a normal job, if they would hire him
And this is Marks fault?
This thread is unbelievable, the amount of colloquy that it has generated, some of which is repetitive.
Nobody is perfect, and humans do err in their decision-making and judgment processes from time to time, especially when it comes to their life's work.
We are all golden sunflowers inside -- even the pro players, forum bullies, trolls, and banned members posting.
Nobody is perfect, and humans do err in their decision-making and judgment processes from time to time, especially when it comes to their life's work.
We are all golden sunflowers inside -- even the pro players, forum bullies, trolls, and banned members posting.
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Life is tough
Having to tell your wife you need more money to pay a late fee on a bill is also tough.
Living paycheck to paycheck and having to pay your bills...LIFE is tough.
Don
Having to tell your wife you need more money to pay a late fee on a bill is also tough.
Living paycheck to paycheck and having to pay your bills...LIFE is tough.
Don
RBC
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First I should say that this entire situation, although a travesty, was both necessary and bound to happen.
Mark has been a man of his word and from my experience he has stood behind everything he has ever promoted. If you go back and look at the Qlympics, you'll see what I mean. Mark had a vision of a big table blowout with tons of amateurs and pros alike. It was 17 days long and extremely low turnout. Even though he had to go in the hole by many tens of thousands of dollars, he paid out what he promised. He even tried to work with the vendors who suffered from the low turnout. Mark also bailed out the tournament in Arizona where the promoter left the top 12 or so pro players with bad checks and a bad taste in their mouths. Even with all this, Mark has been the target of many pro players who expect favoritism. I have personally seen more than once, extremely harsh and abusive things sent to Mark. All by players who expect some special treatment. It was bound to happen that he would get tired of putting his money at risk, often with negative returns I might add, and still be abused for doing so.
As for the players, I am now and have been extremely concerned for them. I don't know Rodney very well, but I do know a few of them and would love to see all of them with an opportunity to do better. Most of them are good guys in a bad situation. As a business man, I stand to gain significantly from a successful professional tour. Unfortunately, I think that most of the pros seem to think that the solution is some rich guy to come along and support pro pool. I simply don't expect that to happen. The money to support a pro tour has to come from a fan base. That's were all the money comes from that supports all large sports or games that we know of. Advertisers spend money to sponsor golf tournaments to get a shot at the fan money. It's all about the return on their investment. I for one, would like to see the players do something to grow a fan base. Have you ever wondered why so few of the hundreds of thousands of league players follow professional pool? How many of them really know who those players really are? I see it as a missed opportunity for professional pool.
Ok, now to the quote that this post was all about in the first place. I'm not sure exactly how this all goes down, but my understanding is that the backers usually put the player in. So, the player would not be calling the backer and asking for more money. This brings me to a question. When whoever it was that put Rodney in the US Open 10 ball event did so, they would have received the players packet of information. I'm assuming it would have been emailed to them. Did they forward that information to Rodney? Did he know about the code of conduct? Either way, did Rodney go to the players meeting where he would have possibly heard the same information? I know many players choose not to go to the players meetings, although I don't know why. If Rodney had been informed about the code of conduct, assuming he wasn't, would he have acted differently? No matter what the answer to any of the above questions are, the players are still responsible for knowing the rules.
In closing, I hope that this all settles down and nothing but good comes from it. Sometimes it takes things escalating to this level before both sides can come together and work towards a common goal.
Respectfully to all those in the pool world,
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
The code of Conduct, that is written in the Rule sheet should be somewhat of a given.
Common sense and courtesy maybe from the players.
Just because it isn't written in the Tourney rules that players are not allowed to relieve themselves in the table pockets doesn't necessarily give them permission to do so.
Besides, it wasn't Rodney's first tourney and the happenings at this tourney were not the start of it all, perhaps as we and Rodney have seen, the actual end of it.
People continue to refer to this particular tournament, things that Rod did and said as the sole reason that he was banned. Rod was the catalyst for some time and it was this tournament that he received the reaction that he probably wasn't expecting.
Common sense and courtesy maybe from the players.
Just because it isn't written in the Tourney rules that players are not allowed to relieve themselves in the table pockets doesn't necessarily give them permission to do so.
Besides, it wasn't Rodney's first tourney and the happenings at this tourney were not the start of it all, perhaps as we and Rodney have seen, the actual end of it.
People continue to refer to this particular tournament, things that Rod did and said as the sole reason that he was banned. Rod was the catalyst for some time and it was this tournament that he received the reaction that he probably wasn't expecting.
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