SPF Poll

I worked with an SPF instructor and was

  • very satisfied

    Votes: 48 34.0%

  • satisfied

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • unsatisfied

    Votes: 7 5.0%

  • very unsatisfied

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Have not worked with SPF instructor

    Votes: 71 50.4%
  • Total voters
    141
  • Poll closed .
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JoeW

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After 4,000 views and many comments that were inflammatory it seems only fair to learn how players who know SPF evaluate their methods. Please vote once and honestly. Names are not shown in the poll so it is somewhat anonymous. SPF instructors should not vote in this poll. My bet is that there are many satisfied consumers.
 
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JoeW said:
After 4,000 views and many comments that were inflammatory it seems only fair to learn how players who know SPF evaluate their methods. Please vote once and honestly. Names are not shown in the poll so it is somewhat anonymous. SPF instructors should not vote in this poll. My bet is that there are many satisfied consumers.
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Yes! I liked it!!!
 
Joe, per your request, I will not vote. But I must say that the reason I teach the program today is because I was so impressed with the whole process when I went to school the first time that I knew the information was too good not to share with others.
Steve
 
Even if I were to incorporate -0- of what Scott Lee worked with me on during my lesson, I felt the lesson was extremely valuable.

The video stroke analysis alone was worth the price of admission.
 
i didn't vote in the poll because i didn't want it to be misinterpreted. i worked with scott lee and it wasn't really what i was expecting. i took a lot of what scott said with a grain of salt and left the lesson unsure how i felt about it.

later on in the month when i noticed i had been playing fairly solid (for me) i was doing a lot of the things that scott went over with me.

i figured i'd add that i don't use any of the spf stuff that i went over in my lesson anymore.
 
While I haven't been to school to do SPF, I believe I have sort of evolved into shooting that way on my own (plus I've got the benefit of various instructional tapes that seem to preach it, even if they don't label it SPF).

It's the pause that makes the magic. I will tell someone I'm informally teaching to do that pause. At first they fight it or their muscle memory takes over and refuses to pause between back and forward swings. But the first time they really make themselves do it, the drill the shot in that they missed a minute ago. Virtually every time. I am always amazed by that.
 
Wrong purpose for this poll

JoeW said:
After 4,000 views and many comments that were inflammatory it seems only fair to learn how players who know SPF evaluate their methods. Please vote once and honestly. Names are not shown in the poll so it is somewhat anonymous. SPF instructors should not vote in this poll. My bet is that there are many satisfied consumers.
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JoeW:

I understand your intent to defend that which you believe in, but methinks this poll only serves the purpose of answering the question of whether the SPF instruction is valuable. This poll does *NOT* answer or address the issue you raise in the very first / opening sentence of your post above, which I presume is addressing the root cause of the "inflammatory" comments posted in the thread for which your poll seems to be posted in response to (i.e. "To all SPF students: Pix = 1000 words")

Rather, may I remind you that the root cause of the comments (not all were "inflammatory," btw) is *how* the instructors/coaches were *portraying themselves* on the forums, not the value of the instruction itself (which your poll is asking to address). I think those that are defending the instructors/coaches are missing that very point.

P.S.: just as a reminder, this post's purpose is to prevent this issue from escalating again, just as I attempted to do in the previous thread mentioned above.

Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
 
I think the poll is open ended and allows for consumers to go either way. I have my suspicions about how it will turn out.

How the group should market their services is another matter that is not directly addressed here. I think that some of the prior comments implied deception in advertising and or making statements excathederal (like the infallible Pope). I agree that SPF instructors make strong statements and to the extent that their consumers support their efforts to instruct perhaps there is some substance to their approach. Over the next few days we will see how satisfied their consumers are with their efforts -- as advertised.

Whether one philosophically agrees with their marketing approach is a matter of personal opinion. One way to address the effectiveness of their approach in a quick way is with an unbiased poll of customer satisfaction. The poll results, in an indirect way, assesses the idea that a customer was attracted by advertising and then attended some form of instruction. Was the customer satisfied with the outcome based on all of their experiences (advertising and instruction)? On the one hand the student came to the instruction with some expectations based partially on advertising. Did they get what they expected and were they satisfied with the whole package is all rolled up in one simple question.

It is agreed that these two issues could be disentangled but this is probably too complicated for the current forum. Customer satisfaction is simply an overall measure.
 
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i have not worked with a SPF instructor yet but I still be getting a lesson from Scott Lee this Sunday! I am looking forward to it!
 
I have worked with two instructors:
Randy G
Stan Shuffet

The biggest key is the pause. Some instructors insist the pause be anywhere from one to three seconds long. I disagree. I think you need to find our own pause lenght. Mine is like maybe a 1/2 second.

But SPF is not just about the set, pause, and finish. It's a lot about eye movement and cue tip to cue placement. All this is huge. You can't just do SPF and think it will work, if your eyes are not working correctly with SPF then you are really chasing your tail.

Go take a lesson and learn, you will be glad you did.

Craig
 
BryanBpool said:
Even if I were to incorporate -0- of what Scott Lee worked with me on during my lesson, I felt the lesson was extremely valuable.

The video stroke analysis alone was worth the price of admission.
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Ditto these comments for me, but with Randy G. (I'm a poet and didn't know it :D!!!) Seriously, the SPF method works great for me when I use it (sometimes I rush things a bit and get away from it). Whenever I have to bear down on a long straight shot where the ob is a few feet from the cue ball, I make darn sure I incororate the SPF into this shot.

FWIW Randy G., I did move up a skill level in both 8-ball and 9-ball after taking your class. Although it took me almost a year, I feel the invaluable lessons you taught were beneficial to me in this small achievement. Thanks!!!

Maniac
 
I am still learning from the lesson I had 6 months ago..

the Mother Drills are the nuts... but if you don't do them you won't improve

anyone who thinks that one lesson will solve all their pool problems won't have much success with any method..

Randy didn't teach me how to play pool

He taught me which parts of my game I needed to work on and gave me very effective methods to do so..

but at the end of the day I still needed to put the work in to achieve the results I desired..

I am looking forward to seeing him again next fall..

SPF... not just for sunscreen anymore
 
softshot said:
I am still learning from the lesson I had 6 months ago..

the Mother Drills are the nuts... but if you don't do them you won't improve

anyone who thinks that one lesson will solve all their pool problems won't have much success with any method..

Randy didn't teach me how to play pool

He taught me which parts of my game I needed to work on and gave me very effective methods to do so..

but at the end of the day I still needed to put the work in to achieve the results I desired..

I am looking forward to seeing him again next fall..

SPF... not just for sunscreen anymore
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this post seems to imply that SPF is the only way to improve.
 
Lets not go there. One person's opinion is just that. The intent to ask those who have worked with an SPF instructor to evaluate their experience. Some people feel stronger than others about their lesson(s).

Please do not turn this into a flame war.

I think the best way to avoid a flame war is to simply not respond. Respect your fellow posters' intelligence. They are more than able to interpet inflamatory statements. Let the statement stand for itself and others will probably interpet it as needed.
 
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Sam...Let's not go there again. Nobody is saying SPF is the only way to improve. If it works for you...great. If not, perhaps another way of learning will work better. FTR, in your earlier post, where you mentioned, that after a month, you were playing better, and noticed that the things I showed you, were now a part of your process...that's the whole point. You USE SPF to get to the point where you don't think about it anymore. It's really more about learning about YOURSELF, and how to create a process (mental & physical), that you can learn to do every time, the same way, without thinking (just like the pros do). I am not saying the pros use SPF...I'm saying each of them have their own "process", that they do the same way, each time they stand down on the table. Think BEFORE shooting...Shoot WITHOUT thinking! I'm glad you're playing better, regardless of what helped you!

Anyone who has worked with any of us (Randyg, Pooltcher, Denny S, Stan Shuffet, myself, or many others), knows that we teach our students to take the information for what it is...information. Use what you like, and/or what works for you...and don't worry about the rest. Our most successful students seem to incorporate much of what we teach them.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

poolplayer2093 said:
this post seems to imply that SPF is the only way to improve.
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Not saying there aren't things to be learned from this or almost any "system"

But some of you folks are a little scary with your manic devotion.

Like ya'll's souls have been saved and you are born again... "I SEE THE LIGHT!!!"

Ya'll should start a "Church of SPFology"...



LULZ... All in fun guys.

*edit* BTW; I can put this on T-Shirts for anyone interested.
 
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Beware_of_Dawg said:
Not saying there aren't things to be learned from this or almost any "system"

But some of you folks are a little scary with your manic devotion.

Like ya'll's souls have been saved and you are born again... "I SEE THE LIGHT!!!"

Ya'll should start a "Church of SPFology"...



LULZ... All in fun guys.

*edit* BTW; I can put this on T-Shirts for anyone interested.
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if i was an instructor i'd offer those shirts (if you made them) it'd actually be pretty cool to offer something like that to satisfied customers

scot lee/randyg you guys should consider it
 
Scott Lee said:
Sam...Let's not go there again. Nobody is saying SPF is the only way to improve. If it works for you...great. If not, perhaps another way of learning will work better. FTR, in your earlier post, where you mentioned, that after a month, you were playing better, and noticed that the things I showed you, were now a part of your process...that's the whole point. You USE SPF to get to the point where you don't think about it anymore. It's really more about learning about YOURSELF, and how to create a process (mental & physical), that you can learn to do every time, the same way, without thinking (just like the pros do). I am not saying the pros use SPF...I'm saying each of them have their own "process", that they do the same way, each time they stand down on the table. Think BEFORE shooting...Shoot WITHOUT thinking! I'm glad you're playing better, regardless of what helped you!

Anyone who has worked with any of us (Randyg, Pooltcher, Denny S, Stan Shuffet, myself, or many others), knows that we teach our students to take the information for what it is...information. Use what you like, and/or what works for you...and don't worry about the rest. Our most successful students seem to incorporate much of what we teach them.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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man i think something i wrote must have come out more negative than i thought. i didn't mean to imply that your system is bad. i only made the comment i did because that is kid of what the post softshot wrote implied
 
Sam...Not at all! What I was trying to point out, is that when you noticed that you were playing better, and that some of that was due to things I went over with you (even though you weren't thinking about them consciously), that is the goal that we hope all students achieve. Like I said, whatever worked for you, that's great!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

poolplayer2093 said:
man i think something i wrote must have come out more negative than i thought. i didn't mean to imply that your system is bad. i only made the comment i did because that is kid of what the post softshot wrote implied
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