The US Open didn't forfeit world champion for no show

This is what Ralf Souquet says on his homepage:


All Euro Tour Players had the promise by organizer Barry Behrman to start their play on Day 2.

Only thereby it was possible, that the Europeans could first play the Swiss Open and than the US Open.


Nothing to do with a WC Title.
 
VitoCorleone said:
This is what Ralf Souquet says on his homepage:


All Euro Tour Players had the promise by organizer Barry Behrman to start their play on Day 2.

Only thereby it was possible, that the Europeans could first play the Swiss Open and than the US Open.


Nothing to do with a WC Title.
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In my opinion, this would only be fair if all of those players opponents were notified in advance that they would not have to play on the first day as well. That would have saved them the rush to get to the Open, a day's expenses, lodging, etc, and possibly a day's pay from their real jobs.

It is truly unfortunate that any person or group of people are allowed a variance in standards or protocol in any event. Everyone who puts down their money based on a certain known set of conditions are entitled to enforcement of the rules based on those conditions and rules.

It would truly be a shame to see the Open fold like so many other tournaments have, but this sort of problem could make it even more difficult to draw the crowd of players and fans from the major support base in the future.

The old saying goes "The rules were made to be broken". Hopefully, that is not the case.
 
Johnnyt,

In your opinion this is wrong, I can appreciate your opinion, but that doesn't make what happened at Barry's tournament wrong, it is just his way of conducting business.

He's done it his way for 33 years and built this 9 ball tournament to be billed as the most prestigeous event in 9 ball WORLD Wide.

Pool players over booking tournaments? how do you expect players to make any money in this business, they have to play in as many tournaments as possible to maintain a decent living.

Barry has been doing this grace period for European, Philipinos and Russian players for years. I gather you didn't know that.

And just in case you didn't know, Allan Hopkins (World Champion) was forfieted in the first round because of a no-show and Santo Sambajon JR was not allowed to play after arriving late Sunday nite.

Players that played in the Euro-Tour did so with the consent of Barry with his conditions. The Players have to make a living.

Johnnyt said:
A) the players are wrong for over-booking tournaments they can't show on time for.

B) Barry wrong for cutting slack to them.

Johnnyt
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If this is the case

VitoCorleone said:
This is what Ralf Souquet says on his homepage:


All Euro Tour Players had the promise by organizer Barry Behrman to start their play on Day 2.

Only thereby it was possible, that the Europeans could first play the Swiss Open and than the US Open.


Nothing to do with a WC Title.
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And I was given a start time for my match on the 2nd day, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But, if I show at my start time, and the guy I ain't there, it ain't right to hold off the start and not put him on the clock, no matter what his name is, or the reason. What is the main thing to consider when you show up for a match. To be mentally prepared is important. I don't mind waiting a little extra if matches are running behind, but I don't wanna get jacked around because someone stayed out drinking too late, or gambling all night either.
 
Bamacues said:
In my opinion, this would only be fair if all of those players opponents were notified in advance that they would not have to play on the first day as well. That would have saved them the rush to get to the Open, a day's expenses, lodging, etc, and possibly a day's pay from their real jobs.
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I'm surprised no one mentioned this until this post. It's not just special treatment alone, it's special treatment at other peoples' expense.
 
satman said:
But the top dogs get cut slack at most tournies. I had to wait 45 minutes for my one pocket match with Shannon Daulton at DCC 2 years ago. 11am start time and they wouldn't even put him on the clock. They kept telling me they were trying to find him. He slept in. Shannon apologized to me, but it didn't make it right.
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Same thing happened too me with Steve Mizerak at the masters in Vegas, he no showed, missed the match, they later rescheduled it for another time, the tourney/event directors were crooks, and there was payout problem, but the Miz should of said MY BAD, instead, he took the high road.
 
pro9dg said:
It is not often that we disagree John but I'm not with you on this one.
The ultimate goal must be to schedule MORE events on top of each other.
A major event every week on three different continents and that would mean that the game has grown (and a lot more JB cases sold).

The Euro Tour is scheduled several years ahead. I am not certain but I think that the US Open dates were not firm until a few months ago.

Barry Behrman has put up the money for this event for the last 33 years
and can do exactly as he pleases. If players do not like his policies then they can vote with their feet next year.

So he wants all the World Champions in his event so he makes a few concessions to achieve that. It is his perogative - 'he who pays the piper calls the tune'.

Players like Appleton, Peach, Majid, Drago are all not quite where they want to be on the European Rankings so they could not afford to miss the last Euro Tour. Furthermore, there is a Tour ruling that if two (or more) events clash or overlap with the Euro Tour then that gets priority.

Niels broke this rule by opting out of the Euro Tour and going to the US early. But he may avoid a reprimand if he did not play on the opening day of the US Open.

The bunch of European players exercised their worth in marketing value to the tournament and found an accommodating promoter.
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No single player is more important than the sport they serve....woulda' never happened in golf.
 
Snapshot9 said:
John ... Are you volunteering to teach each one of them how to email? .. :grin: And I believe Warren Kiamco was the Bridesmaid to John Schmidt, not Ronnie Alcano.
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Ronnie Alcano was runner-up to Shane last year, and again this year to Mika.

Rodolfo Luat was runner-up to John Schmidt.
 
Island Drive said:
No single player is more important than the sport they serve...
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That is a cliche that masks an underlying problem with pool.

It has no super superstars. Until we give our professional players a little more value then the game will never develop a fan base.

Right now there is a selected band of players who look at the game from an international perspective.
MIKA IMMONEN
RALF SOUQUET
THORSTEN HOHMANN
MARCUS CHAMAT
DARREN APPLETON
FABIO PETRONI
JOHNNY ARCHER
NIELS FEIJEN
NICK vd BERG
IMRAN MAJID
EARL STRICKLAND
DARYL PEACH
VINCENT FACQUET
SHANE VAN BOENING
DENNIS ORCULLO
RONNIE ALCANO
FRANCISCO BUSTAMANTE
CHARLIE WILLIAMS
RAJ HUNDAL
MAX EBERLE
ROBERTO GOMEZ
EFREN REYES
WU CHIA CHING
CHANG JUNG LIN
YANG CHING-SHUN
SATOSHI KAWABATA
TONY DRAGO
THOMAS ENGERT
NAOYUKI OI
RODNEY MORRIS
OLIVER ORTMANN
ALEX PAGULYAN
And a few other borderline cases. These Players will turn up on any continent to play.

What we need to see is them given more status and development of their characters. Pool at it?s best isn?t a sport ? it?s SHOW BUSINESS.

Use their personalities to sell events to the public.

It?s not exactly Nuclear Physics is it?
 
One thing's for sure, American pool is down right now. In my view, the key to its re-mergence is to have American players compete against the many stars of Europe and Asia as often as possible.

If ensuring that this happens means making some minor accommodations to elite foreign players that are willing to travel overseas to play in America, as much as it rubs some the wrong way and as easy as it is to argue it's unfair, a very strong argument can be made in favor of it.

That's why I'm pleased to see that the stars of Europe were accommodated this year at the US Open.

JBCases is 100% right that the real solution is to have foreign pool concerns work together to minimize, even eliminate, the frequency with which major pool events across the globe have scheduling conflicts with each other. As we try to move in the direction of that solution, however, I will celebrate it and commend it anytime I see tournament organizers offering minor accommodations to foreign players to ensure fields of the highest possible quality in the handful of open, internationally diverse events on the pool calendar, as it will, in my opinion, increase the quality of the pro pool product wordwide.
 
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I'm confused about why some players were allowed to play later and Allen Hopkins and Santos Sambojan were not ?
The players need to start having their own tournaments, that way they can share the money between people who actually play the game rather than share it with a "omnipotent benefactor" who does all the work for them.
 
book collector said:
I'm confused about why some players were allowed to play later and Allen Hopkins and Santos Sambojan were not ?
The players need to start having their own tournaments, that way they can share the money between people who actually play the game rather than share it with a "omnipotent benefactor" who does all the work for them.
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Did you see that this thread is 2 years old? The situation was special that year because an eurotour stop finished the day before the US open was planning to begin.
 
billbOK said:
Did you see that this thread is 2 years old? The situation was special that year because an eurotour stop finished the day before the US open was planning to begin.
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Yup, old news. I thought it looked funny and finally noticed a date of a post.
 
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billbOK said:
Did you see that this thread is 2 years old? The situation was special that year because an eurotour stop finished the day before the US open was planning to begin.
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I'm sorry I didn't realize it was an old post. Thanks for wakin me up lol.
Actually it is relevant in a way.
From another thread I read that some Euro players were allowed to start late this year because of the overlap.
 
Once again you have so many experts who do not have all the info and rush to conclusions. You don't know what was or wasn't agreed on prior to entry. FEW STATUES ARE ERECTED FOR CRITICS BUT FOR THOSE WHOM THEY ARE CRITICAL OF MANY STATUES HAVE GONE UP. When you have your own tournament and do for the pool world what Barry has you can make the rules. If you think Tiger Woods and other big name players don't get preferrential treatment you are wrong.ie late starting times, particular parings along with other request.
 
book collector said:
I'm confused about why some players were allowed to play later and Allen Hopkins and Santos Sambojan were not ?
The players need to start having their own tournaments, that way they can share the money between people who actually play the game rather than share it with a "omnipotent benefactor" who does all the work for them.
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JUST THE FACTS!

The first round of the US Open was scheduled to take nearly a day and a half to be completed. The draw was done the night before play started. A few of the Euro players were re-scheduled to play the second day. The draw was not changed, just their staring times. Only players that had spoke with Barry were scheduled for later in the first round. For what it's worth, it wasn't just Euro players! The American player that was re-scheduled was Frankie Hernandez. There were a couple of others, but I can't remember who it was.

In any case, only players that had pre-arranged to play later in the round were given that request.

In the case of Allen Hopkins, the draw and schedule had been done and he called at the last minute and told Barry he wouldn't be there. That is what caused the forfeit.

I can't comment on Santos, as I can't remember him even being there.

There was no funny business going on!!!

Jay H. can confirm these facts.
 
Bill S said:
JUST THE FACTS!

The first round of the US Open was scheduled to take nearly a day and a half to be completed. The draw was done the night before play started. A few of the Euro players were re-scheduled to play the second day. The draw was not changed, just their staring times. Only players that had spoke with Barry were scheduled for later in the first round. For what it's worth, it wasn't just Euro players! The American player that was re-scheduled was Frankie Hernandez. There were a couple of others, but I can't remember who it was.

In any case, only players that had pre-arranged to play later in the round were given that request.

In the case of Allen Hopkins, the draw and schedule had been done and he called at the last minute and told Barry he wouldn't be there. That is what caused the forfeit.

I can't comment on Santos, as I can't remember him even being there.

There was no funny business going on!!!

Jay H. can confirm these facts.
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Confirmed! No favoritism to anyone for anything! Except for Barry's little wiener dog Buddy. Bill, Ken and I all got to babysit Buddy while we were working. I actually went out on the floor with Buddy in my arms one time! Not to watch a hit, only to answer a question. :grin:
 
In 2006 Alex Pagulayan gave fair notice that he would like to play
the second day.
In a money added tournament with spectators paying for seating
it would be insane not to accomodate a great player (also the
defending champion).
This is an elitist game and rightfully so.If you want to be treated
like a champion,do some more drills.
I have played at least one guy in the US Open who needed the 6.
He would not get the same consideration if I was running it.These
players don't pay union dues,the cream should be treated like
royalty.They fill the seats.

However,once the matches are scheduled,everyone should be
treated equal.If you're late go to the b-side.

In weekly tournaments with no money added everyone should
be treated equal...if you're late you're toast.

In DCC-like tournaments with multiple disciplines going on,
accomodations should be made for everyone.

I love the US Open and have found it to be run very well.

just my opinion
 
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