They never saw the $$$$....

Pool people llike Eric, Jay, Mark Griffin, Mike Janis and others that just don't jump into my mind right now, give me hope for pool. Stand up guys with knowledge and experience. I wish I had $$ or power of some sort to contribute beyond some nice words for them.
 
I Am Shocked And Sorry

Mark Griffin said:
First of all, I think this is terrible for pool. Chuck Bobbitt has really supported pool in the past. Unfortunately he put his money into a project that failed miserably. I am guessing he lost minimum $30K.

This shows how fragile the pool promoting business is. I do not feel sorry for Chuck-but I do feel bad that he is now "in trouble" for trying to hold a pool event.

I'm going to say a couple of things. This was a UPA event. Remember back when the US Open could not pay (1991?) and there was a ltof of debate on what UPA sanctioning meant?

In Dec of 2007, I threw-out the idea of becoming an escrow holding type of company for the players. It did not get a lot of response. This is not a new problem. It is probably time to revisit my earlier posts.

I personally am tired of all the problems that are in the pool industry. I LOST over $80,000 when I did the Qlympics last November. Everybody got PAID on the spot. Several of the LARGE events still do not pay at the time of the win.

Now you have the BCA and UPA is open warfare, with the threat of boycotting WPA events. It will never happen. Maybe I will really crank up the heat and throw in my hat for doing events and a "tour". I honestly think I can do a better job running this than those that are attempting. Just my thoughts - but I am sure welcome to comments. (I must be getting frustrated to even think this).

PLease chase me down at the BCAPL event in Vegas. May 7-17. My curiosity is gonna kill me to see the response I get!

Mark Griffin
BCAPL
markg@playbca.com

Mark, you could easily do better; I regret providing a suggestion to Chuck that apparently provided additional money for him to scam at the start of the tournament.

John Rousseau
 
JimS said:
Pool people llike Eric, Jay, Mark Griffin, Mike Janis and others that just don't jump into my mind right now, give me hope for pool. Stand up guys with knowledge and experience. I wish I had $$ or power of some sort to contribute beyond some nice words for them.

I second that.
 
Fast Lenny said:
Hey if you keep posting great post like this everyday then they are going to have to give you your own forum. ;)

I second that too! Great post Jam.

P.S. Lenny get rid of that annoying gif!!! Please!
 
lolololol new pool hall rule; if you're going to play in a tournament, make the TD post the cash.

That's so brutal.

Karma is a mother
 
Wow, no big surprise to see this again. Its too bad for the players, winnners or loosers they thought they had a chance to win a decent cash prize that wasnt there. I do not feel bad for this Chuck guy, as stated by somebody else, he should have known the money situation.

Sad truth is that a good player can win a good amount of money just playing your local bar pool tournaments, I have known a few players who made enough to survive in my area, it aint a lot but $70-$100 for first 5 days or more a week with a few bigger tournaments in the area every couple months. It aint a lot but atleast they get paid and work near home. Whats sad is that the bar tourneys do better with the money management than some big events in the past.
 
Well, this does suck. I knew that the TD got paid a bit, but dang Jay!! That gig is worth more than playing. At least you are getting a guarantee of 2500, or was promised that much if he was an honest man.
 
I'm sure $2500 does not seem like much now, I mean, with all the crap he has to deal with now. TD's should get something, they might be doing something or involved in something they enjoy but its still work, I am sure there were many hours spent getting the tourney ready, its not like he just showed up and it was all taken care of. Good Luck, Nate.
 
Black-Balled said:
haha! Everybody should call at all hours:eek: :D ;)

I know you're trying to be funny! :D

I cannot imagine the heartache and feelings of regret that must be going through Chuck Bobbit's mind right now.

I know he has to make good for the monies, but here is a man who has sponsored pool events for a long time in the Arizona region.

He may be facing financial ruins because of this event. I feel bad for him.

If he is trying to sell assets to make good on the monies, then God bless him. At least he is trying. I hope he finds a way to get out of this hole.

One thing for sure, pool just lost a well-meaning sponsor. He just got in over his head, IMHO! :(

JAM
 
All rightee then..I shall defer to JAM!

JAM said:
I know you're trying to be funny! :D

I cannot imagine the heartache and feelings of regret that must be going through Chuck Bobbit's mind right now.

I know he has to make good for the monies, but here is a man who has sponsored pool events for a long time in the Arizona region.

He may be facing financial ruins because of this event. I feel bad for him.

If he is trying to sell assets to make good on the monies, then God bless him. At least he is trying. I hope he finds a way to get out of this hole.

One thing for sure, pool just lost a well-meaning sponsor. He just got in over his head, IMHO! :(

JAM
 
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JAM said:
I know you're trying to be funny! :D

I cannot imagine the heartache and feelings of regret that must be going through Chuck Bobbit's mind right now.

I know he has to make good for the monies, but here is a man who has sponsored pool events for a long time in the Arizona region.

He may be facing financial ruins because of this event. I feel bad for him.

If he is trying to sell assets to make good on the monies, then God bless him. At least he is trying. I hope he finds a way to get out of this hole.

One thing for sure, pool just lost a well-meaning sponsor. He just got in over his head, IMHO! :(

JAM

Did I miss the part where somebody explained why he held a $25K added tournament when he didn't have $25K? Where was the money supposed to come from? I'd like to know what the plan was for having that money available, or else I'd assume he never planned to pay anybody, and thus is a total scumbag who deserves whatever financial ruination comes his way.

-Andrew
 
JAM said:
I just knew that is what it was, mainly because I am aware of your strong sponsorship of several pool players who you have taken a liking to in the past year, providing financial support to them and their families and businesses. So, when you posted up your original thread, I knew it was about the money at that Desert tourney. :(

That said, I am at a loss as to why Frank Alvarez, being the UPA president, did not enforce the so-called rule that the monies for UPA tournaments be protected. He shares some of the blame for this, IMHO. Though he didn't short the players out of his pocket, I think it is his duty to make sure that all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed for each "UPA-sanctioned tournament." What good is the UPA if it does not protect the members of its organization?

Looking at the picture of Chuck Bobbit, he appears to be an older gentleman, and this event may wipe him out of whatever savings he has. To be a supporter of pool for so long and then to have this happen to him, it appears that he bit off more than he can chew. I, for one, feel bad for him, but I also think the players must be paid in full ASAP. This man tried to do a good deed, and he got screwed. He obviously does not have the financial wherewithal of Mark Griffin.

Which brings me to my next point. That sucks that Mark Griffin lost 80 large on the Qlympics. This man has poured more money into pool that anyone I know. If anyone deserves a financial reward in this racket, it is Mark Griffin. He sponsors players, keeps the BCA League going, promotes large pool events. There isn't a stronger supporter that I know of than Mark Griffin. He puts his money up time and time again to make things happen. In case anyone hasn't said it recently, thank you, Mark.

The last pool tournament I went to was the IPT event in Vegas, July 2006. Quite frankly, I couldn't take the tournament trail anymore. Traveling hundreds and hundreds of miles, expending thousands of dollars for week-long events, and winning a peanut in some instances if we're lucky was too much for my pocketbook. I neglected my business for several years, all in the name of pool.

That said, next time I attend a pool tournament, whether it be a regional tour event or the U.S. Open, I will be there only as a pool vacation. The payouts in pool are not worth the effort financially, physically, and emotionally anymore for this reader. In the words of B.B. King, the thrill is gone.

The only way a player can keep following a tourament trail in the year 2008 is to have a stakehorse like Fatboy paying all the bills, a wife/girlfriend like me who is willing to sacrifice to be "on the road again," parents who don't mind if the player has no financial obligations and lives ay home, or an inheritance.

Don't get me wrong, I am a pool enthusiast, but I had more fun with pool when I was a social shooter. Professonal pool will bankrupt your soul, if you let it. It almost got me, but thankfully, I was able to recover from a financial nightmare of attending two, three, and four tournaments every month.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it, sad to say! :(

JAM
People get so caught up in making the "score" and being in the lights, they forget the one thing I have learned over the years. There is no money in the tournaments. Expenses catch up. You have to win non-stop to come out on top. What percentage does this? 3%? Maybe? What about the other 97% of the scufflers. Let's face it. If you're not in the top five or ten, you're scuffling to make ends meet. How about getting ahead? Huh? Ahead? What's that?

I once asked a wise bookie who he liked in one of the bowl games.

"I like the one that gets me paid, and that's either one of them. I learned long ago the players get screwed in the long run. You have to be on the other end."

I think most players are very smart, intelligence wise. Hell, they can give you the odds of the next player walking in the poolroom having black shoes on. It's a shame that this game can consume you and most people that get caught up in it lose focus on life in general. Bottom line is, keep things in perspective and you don't get hurt. We all have dreams of knocking Johnny off. But, on a day to day basis, is this realistic? I play pretty well. But, I know my place. Just like most people on here, on a given day, I feel like I could knock a few of'em down too. But, it's a lifestyle...not a living. When it's not fun, and it becomes work... you'd better be good at your job.
 
Great Post!!! I learned a long time ago that becoming a poolplayer was just going to be a very important hobby in my life. My marriage and family has to be number 1!!!! Pool is about number 5 on my list. I love pool!!!!
I will always have the passion.


PS. Im new to AZ. How do I get some green cheesy puffs below my name. LOL
 
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jay helfert said:
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I have been a bulldog on Chuck's ass for days now, calling him night and day. I WILL NOT REST UNTIL ALL THE PLAYERS HAVE BEEN PAID!

Tap-tap-tap. "You're a good man Charlie Brown"
 
Andrew Manning said:
Did I miss the part where somebody explained why he held a $25K added tournament when he didn't have $25K? Where was the money supposed to come from? I'd like to know what the plan was for having that money available, or else I'd assume he never planned to pay anybody, and thus is a total scumbag who deserves whatever financial ruination comes his way.

-Andrew


I agree with this. Why in the world would somebody hold a $25,000 added tourney without having the money? Either he is the dumbest business minded man in America or he was planning to skip out on the money. When I take out a loan to buy a little house to renovate and then sell, the bank doesn't care if I lose money on the house or can sell it or not, they want their money when the note comes due. This is exactly the same. If I didn't have the money to pay the note off even if I couldnt sell the house then I would never do it.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Please, all you AZB'ers, do not give up on pool in Arizona. There are guy's like Jimmy Mendosa and Dennis (and others) who are promoting very well run tournaments, where the payoff's will always be there.

It's human nature for the players to flock to where the big money is. I guess we need to revert back to the old days...when the money gets too big....
POST UP !!!


Dick
Well put. Post up. getting paid for a tourney win by check :eek:
if i was stiffed like those guys id wanna see cash money on the table
from now on. sit the cash in a pile on one of the tables (wrld series poker style) and have some security standing around (the bent nose type).
 
Mark Griffin said:
First of all, I think this is terrible for pool. Chuck Bobbitt has really supported pool in the past. Unfortunately he put his money into a project that failed miserably. I am guessing he lost minimum $30K.

This shows how fragile the pool promoting business is. I do not feel sorry for Chuck-but I do feel bad that he is now "in trouble" for trying to hold a pool event.

I'm going to say a couple of things. This was a UPA event. Remember back when the US Open could not pay (1991?) and there was a ltof of debate on what UPA sanctioning meant?

In Dec of 2007, I threw-out the idea of becoming an escrow holding type of company for the players. It did not get a lot of response. This is not a new problem. It is probably time to revisit my earlier posts.

I personally am tired of all the problems that are in the pool industry. I LOST over $80,000 when I did the Qlympics last November. Everybody got PAID on the spot. Several of the LARGE events still do not pay at the time of the win.

Now you have the BCA and UPA is open warfare, with the threat of boycotting WPA events. It will never happen. Maybe I will really crank up the heat and throw in my hat for doing events and a "tour". I honestly think I can do a better job running this than those that are attempting. Just my thoughts - but I am sure welcome to comments. (I must be getting frustrated to even think this).

PLease chase me down at the BCAPL event in Vegas. May 7-17. My curiosity is gonna kill me to see the response I get!

Mark Griffin
BCAPL
markg@playbca.com
Seems like Chuck didn't lose anything as the players and tournament director are the one's taking a hit.

Mark - if you do a tour, I would have to think it would be done right. Please pick me to be the tournament director. I like the sound of $2500 pay for a weekend of work.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Did I miss the part where somebody explained why he held a $25K added tournament when he didn't have $25K? Where was the money supposed to come from? I'd like to know what the plan was for having that money available, or else I'd assume he never planned to pay anybody, and thus is a total scumbag who deserves whatever financial ruination comes his way.

-Andrew
Yep, what he said!!!!
 
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