This is gonna hurt dcc

Did'nt this just happen in Sept. when an event in Europe was scheduled the same dates as Galveston??... Why do these things continue to happen??? I think this is yet another (and continual) case of strong-arming dates. You know that the pros/heavy-hitters do this for a living, so their gonna go where the best 'feeding' is. You have a central hub (AZBILLIARDS.COM) and others to check on dates/events that are taking place and have the dates secured way in advance. For us in America anyways, everyone knows for the last TEN YEARS+, that DCC is in Jan, the SBE (Super Billiards Expo) is in March, Turning Stone Finale is in Aug, and the U.S. Open is in Sept/Oct. If anyone schedules an event against these events, you're doing our sport a 'disservice'. People are always telling 'the little man': 'Support pool!', 'Support pool!', 'Support pool!', but then the 'powers that be' turn around do what they want just cause they got the name/financial power. This is just another brick off the foundation as to why our sport can't grow.

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Anything that pumps more REAL money into pool is a good thing, and while it's logical for some pros to flock to the WTC 2010, those same pros would have played in BOTH the DCC and the WTC in 2010 if they weren't going to overlap by one friggin' day. If they didn't overlap, these same pros would make much more money than if they have to choose, so actually, everyone loses when this happens: there are NO winners, the fans have to choose and the players have to choose, although they could all play in the one pocket and banks events at the DCC if they wanted to... :) The only winners might be us amateurs who might end up a few places higher this year at the DCC than in previous years.

I agree that this is either a slap in the face to Greg and the DCC or else the WTC dates were chosen by someone who doesn't know or doesn't care about conflicting with the premier pool event of the year. I assume they'll get enough feedback from the pros and from the DCC organizers that this conflict won't happen again next year. As for those who claim that the WTC 2010 is what's best for pool, please, come back and say something after they've successfully run the WTC for 12 straight years. There have been way too promises and flops over the years to believe anything is here to stay until it's been around for a while already. Also, WTC is invitation only, and so your average Joe cannot play, which is what makes the DCC unique and awesome. Anyone with the entry fee and a stick has a chance to win it all.
 
IMO staging an event geared at bringing over 200 top players together to compete with and against each other in team/country compettion, all the while being broadcast globally while hosting an exhibiton and tradeshow of the sport we love..........no matter how many years running it has been is much more valuable to the sport than hosting amateur players, gamblers and professionals together playing all through the night so they can widdle down a field of 400. DCC has it's place and is great for the game " in the US" but this tournament in Germany will do much for the game as a whole.

It is too bad they can't be on separate dates but......

I think the best thing the DCC could do would be to move the 9 Ball event to the start of the week ( most of the pro's only play the banks and one pocket to be incontention for the overall prizes anyway) so that the pro's could play both.

Just my thoughts.........
 
The DCC can't change any dates now as everyone has made their hotel and travel reservations already. For 2010, it is what it is. Also, I don't think that most pros play in the banks and one pocket only because of the 'Master of the Table' prize money. That's an incentive for sure, but there are pretty high payouts for banks and one pocket by themselves, so I assume they're playing in those to actually try and win and make more money.

Also, as for the list of players thrown out there so far who won't be attending, Niels, Ralf, Mika and SVB have all won the 9-ball event at the DCC at least once (Ralf has won it 3 times). Other than that, I believe no one mentioned yet has placed 1st or 2nd in the banks at DCC ever, and only Corey has placed in the one pocket event and that was 2nd place back in 2004. So, no, the overall caliber of players will not be hurt that much. The 9-ball will suffer a bit, and not having SVB will hurt the action a little, but there is SO much action at the DCC, I can't see one big action player not showing making the difference.

Once again, if you ask the pros, I'm sure they would have preferred being able to play fully in both events, as it would mean more money for them. As for how much money, just look below for an idea of how pissed the pros should be if they can't play in both events. For example, if SVB's team doesn't win the WTC 2010, he would actually make less money (much less) than he did this year at the DCC (of course, he could also flop at the DCC 2010, but this is just an example). Also, Brumback won more than $30k last year at the DCC, which is more than the 1st place team at the WTC 2010 will make per player. From only placing 3rd in the 9-ball and 2nd in the 10-ball last year, Ralf made $9k, which means his team has to place 1st or 2nd at the WTC 2010 for him to make money at WTC 2010 than he did at the DCC 2009. Of course, the WTC 2010 is payouts/player and it's always nice to see high payouts, but these are just some numbers to consider.

Payouts from the DCC 2009
9-ball
1st place Shane Van Boening $16,000.00
2nd place Lee Vann Corteza $8,000.00
3rd place Ralf Souquet $4,000.00
3rd place Adam Smith $4,000.00

One pocket
1st place John Schmidt $12,000.00
2nd place Scott Frost $6,000.00
3rd place Jose Parica $2,700.00
3rd place Jeremy Jones $2,700.00

Banks
1st place John Brumback $10,000.00
2nd place Rodolfo Luat $5,000.00
3rd place Jonathan Hennessee $2,500.00
4th place Brian Gregg $1,450.00

Master of the Table
1st place John Brumback $20,000.00
2nd place Jonathan Hennessee $3,000.00
3rd place Shane Van Boening $2,000.00

10-ball challenge
1st place Lee Vann Corteza $10,000.00
2nd place Ralf Souquet $5,000.00
3rd place Mika Immonen $2,500.00
4th place Francisco Bustamante $2,500.00

Straight pool challenge
1st place Danny Harriman $2,500.00
2nd place John Schmidt $2,400.00
3rd place Darren Appleton $2,000.00
4th place Thorsten Hohmann $1,400.00
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
How would a tourney like the DCC get sanctioned? What would be the associated responsibilities thereby afforded to the promoter by doing so? Practically speaking, is it prohibitive?
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Here's a link for the WPA's sactioning guidelines.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=sanction

Currently, the DCC doesn't have enough guaranteed added $$ to any of the 3 events to qualify it for WPA sanctioning. If they added $5k more to 9-ball, they could get that sanctioned.

I do agree with the above posts that we need to get heads together because all these confilicting dates does nothing but hurt the game as a whole. The womenfolk do get it, only 1 time (to my recollection) in the past 5 years has a WPBA event conflicted with another major event. When will the men get an effin clue???
 
The event in Europe has nothing to do with why these top pros are avoiding the DCC this year. I put out the word that I might be attending and they are all running.

To quote Joe Louis, "You can run but you can't hide".
 
ummmmmmm never?:rolleyes:

TimKrazyMon said:
Here's a link for the WPA's sactioning guidelines.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=sanction

Currently, the DCC doesn't have enough guaranteed added $$ to any of the 3 events to qualify it for WPA sanctioning. If they added $5k more to 9-ball, they could get that sanctioned.

I do agree with the above posts that we need to get heads together because all these confilicting dates does nothing but hurt the game as a whole. The womenfolk do get it, only 1 time (to my recollection) in the past 5 years has a WPBA event conflicted with another major event. When will the men get an effin clue???
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Greg Sullivan inquired about getting WPA sanctioning as long as a couple of years ago in order to protect the dates from other events. He was unable to do so due to the buy-back format that he utilizes as well as not meeting the threshold level for added money. Greg is a true lover of the game and he will get past this year's conflict and attract plenty of great players to his event. Only four Americans (for instance) will miss the last day of his event in order that they have time to get to Germany and not be overcome with jet lag. Greg has great plans for the future of pool and is one of the folks who will drive our sport forward.
 
Thanks Jerry. Perhaps Greg is not overly concerned about the impact of this overlap, this one time. Maybe "we" get a little protective of one of our favorite tourneys.


"Greg has great plans for the future of pool..."
Tease! When might these plans be unleashed?

Jerry Forsyth said:
Greg Sullivan inquired about getting WPA sanctioning as long as a couple of years ago in order to protect the dates from other events. He was unable to do so due to the buy-back format that he utilizes as well as not meeting the threshold level for added money. Greg is a true lover of the game and he will get past this year's conflict and attract plenty of great players to his event. Only four Americans (for instance) will miss the last day of his event in order that they have time to get to Germany and not be overcome with jet lag. Greg has great plans for the future of pool and is one of the folks who will drive our sport forward.
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Jerry Forsyth said:
Greg Sullivan inquired about getting WPA sanctioning as long as a couple of years ago in order to protect the dates from other events. He was unable to do so due to the buy-back format that he utilizes as well as not meeting the threshold level for added money. Greg is a true lover of the game and he will get past this year's conflict and attract plenty of great players to his event. Only four Americans (for instance) will miss the last day of his event in order that they have time to get to Germany and not be overcome with jet lag. Greg has great plans for the future of pool and is one of the folks who will drive our sport forward.
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Greg shouldn't have to protect the dates of the DCC.

To promote another major event during the same timeframe when the DCC dates are announced well in advance is nothing short of idiotic.
 
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watchez said:
Greg shouldn't have to protect the dates of the DCC.

To promote another major event during the same timeframe when the DCC dates are announced well in advance is nothing short of idiotic.
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Can't agree more!:(
 
Didn't the WPA do something similar to the world 14.1 championships this year?

I'm enough of an a-hole to make a rule stating anybody who plays in the European event need not apply to next years DCC.
 
watchez said:
Greg shouldn't have to protect the dates of the DCC.

To promote another major event during the same timeframe when the DCC dates are announced well in advance is nothing short of idiotic.
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I disagree. If the DCC is not a sanctioned event, it cannot expect the calendar protection that a sanction gives it. It is Greg's choice to get a sanction or to hope that nothing else is scheduled in conflict. As pointed out above, a sanction would require some change to the format of DCC which some people think is one of its great strengths.

The particular dates for the WTC seem to have been chosen out of necessity -- as pointed out above -- rather than malice.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I disagree. If the DCC is not a sanctioned event, it cannot expect the calendar protection that a sanction gives it. It is Greg's choice to get a sanction or to hope that nothing else is scheduled in conflict. As pointed out above, a sanction would require some change to the format of DCC which some people think is one of its great strengths.

The particular dates for the WTC seem to have been chosen out of necessity -- as pointed out above -- rather than malice.
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Of course it cannot expect the calendar protection that a sanction gives. However, if you schedule an event at the same calendar time then again - that is idiotic.

Guess I don't understand the necessity. The DCC is 10 days. This world team event had the other 97% of the days of the year to choose from.

And if the WPA is a worthwhile organization, deemed to sanction events, they are just at fault for putting their name and stamp on an event that coincides with the biggest pool event of the year.

This would be the same if the NCAA decided to hold their National Championship football game on the same day as the Super Bowl. Nothing would stop them but it would be idiotic.

Who are the promoters of this team event again? I couldn't find where that was pointed out.
 
Wouldn't another solution be to do away with the buyback format?

Doesn't pretty much everyone buyback anyway? Make it a double elimination and you can still use the random drawing system.
 
I'm pissed! Is the WPA so big now that it can't be hurt by an organized refusal to play their game? I know they won't get a cent from me.
 
watchez said:
Of course it cannot expect the calendar protection that a sanction gives. However, if you schedule an event at the same calendar time then again - that is idiotic.

Guess I don't understand the necessity. The DCC is 10 days. This world team event had the other 97% of the days of the year to choose from.

And if the WPA is a worthwhile organization, deemed to sanction events, they are just at fault for putting their name and stamp on an event that coincides with the biggest pool event of the year.

This would be the same if the NCAA decided to hold their National Championship football game on the same day as the Super Bowl. Nothing would stop them but it would be idiotic.

Who are the promoters of this team event again? I couldn't find where that was pointed out.
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Not a name, but a company...from the OP's link.
The event organizer is Basevents Europe Ltd. in cooperation with Fachausstellungen Heckmann GmbH, a member of the Deutsche Messe Group of Companies. The championships are officially supported by the World Pool Billiard Association.
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JimS said:
I'm pissed! Is the WPA so big now that it can't be hurt by an organized refusal to play their game? I know they won't get a cent from me.
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I agree, wtf,

they act like they never heard of this giant tourney that happens every January for the last 12 years.

that "their fault for not sanctioning" stuff is total BS, this is WPA way of trying to bully.
 
HELLOOOOOOOO, aren't we missing something?


Who really chose the dates? The promoter or WPA?

And were the reasons respectable?

And does the public have a right to know if it was a pitching wedge or a driver? :eek:
 
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