was that TONY ZINZOLAS hand in my pocket?

I owned 1 Zinzola and it was superb...well executed and it played out of this world. That being said, the photo examples don't lie...overreach definitely, but as Steve has said, let the buyer beware.

I'm not a fan of bashing threads; I do recall, however, that Steve was equally outspoken about his pleasure with Tony Zinzola in the beginning. It might have been a good move to remember whose patronage made Tony such a well known name.

It is a hard business for anyone...brokers and buyers who promote a given artisan play a big role in that person's public visibility...for better or worse.

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jasonlaus said:
Why did he have to re-do your cue???
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Nothing was wrong with my cue. I had the very first cue he did with his signature ring work (Cue #26) and I just wanted to get it touched up with small dings here and there. He then went in and replaced my ring work with his now 8 piece instead of the original 4. He also add new inlays in the veneers and in the butt. I figured that he is such a perfectionist that he wanted to enhance my cue considering it was over 4 or 5 years since he built my original and he wanted to boost it up. It came out beautiful and I paid him and got my cue at set promised time. So its unsettling to hear anything negative on his end.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
When we were young and used to watch Stampede Wrestling, we used to head butt each other and call them Coco Bonks. I think Bruce may have received his share at some point as well.

Brian, bar bells that touch and some missing part of the bell. Absolutely I cannot see why anyone would allow that to leave a shop and expect the buyer to accept that is beyond comprehension.

Tony may have gone to quick too fast. Gotten into CnC when he should have been perfecting points and veneers. Making perfect Merry Widows.

Myself, if I were into building rather than just repairs, I would rather been known for making decent playing Widows than a screw up with terrible customer service.

I know Kevin Varney got himself into a bit of hot water a couple of times but he made a heck of a pretty Widow that played great. He was satisfied with what he was putting out there and it showed. I have a Varney Bar Cue Conversion. Just a decent butt with one of his shafts with it. It plays great and will always be with me.

Huge difference between the two builders.
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The originator of that move was "Bobo Brazil" the Jackie Robinson of Pro Wrestling and I'm proud to say, a personal friend of mine. Bobo's finishing move was the "Coco Butt" in which he would head butt his opponent with his coco brown head, the opponent would walk around in circles dazed for a few seconds and then fall to the mat to be pinned by Bobo.

I think any cue maker that would release that ring work in kicken's cue, maybe got coco butted one time too many along the way.

Kevin
 
haha ok ok I GIVE I GIVE. I'm not a cue guy.

I dunno what a nice cue is supposed to look like, and because I'm not fussy about them my standards are
low. If you can't see the flaw from 3 feet away I'm like "eh good enough". Obviously between the cost and
reputation this guy has, you guys expect better. Anyway I hope tikkler gets it handled to his satisfaction.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Maker babies?? Is that English?? Not to be a royal ass by my god re-read your typing!!! Unless this is just how you are built and if it is I have no idea how you have made it through life...
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I made it, you need not worry how, or why. But but I did it on my own with a Government assistance. Hard work pays off.

Maybe you missed the message Tikkler was trying to convey, and that was his person negative experience with Tony Zinzola. It was a warning for those who were smart enough to look and the photo, and time line Tikkler posted as a warning. Tony made promise, after promise, and never did doo doo. That is called talk, or all talk, but no action, except lip flapping.

Not everyone has to be a spelling, grammar, or english champion. Some people are needed to do job like janitor, grave digger, or picking up dead road kill deer along the roadways of the USA.

Think you may have missed the point of my post, as you were too busy nit picking my English, that was my second language at home I grew up in. FYI
 
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Steve,


I'm very sorry it had to come to this. You have been more than accommodating. It is truly a shame that Tony decided to neglect you as a customer.



Take care,
Chris
 
Any cue-maker that treats any customer the way Zinzola has been accused of behaving is a cheat, crook, liar and scumbag.......and probably should be reported to the Better Business Association, The American Cue-Makers Association, and the local District Attorney's Office for consumer fraud, and of course, banned from AZ.

Having said that, I'm not saying that Zinzola did or didn't do what he's been accused of but it sure doesn't look good based upon the specific details of the complaints, This really sucks and no one should order another cue until Tony Zinzola answers these allegations which ironically seem to comport really well with the explanations and cited timeframes.

Zinzola....are out there reading the shit being written about you........time to grow a pair of balls, try to act like a man and answer these charges. Hiding is cowardly and only incriminates you all the more so. You cue-making reputation will be shit until you exonerate yourself or make things right for all the complainants pronto fast.

Everyone on AZ should spread word of this situation and hopefully after Tony Z sees his sales suffer and his reputation continuing to be soiled, he'll relent and make things right for these unfortunate customers or prove he's not done anything wrong and he's guiltless which is becoming increasingly unimaginable to believe would be true.
 
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CMD said:
Steve,


I'm very sorry it had to come to this. You have been more than accommodating. It is truly a shame that Tony decided to neglect you as a customer.



Take care,
Chris
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chris, you have heard all of this too many times....I just gave up.

And of course YOU get your Webb cue before me.....it figures...lol



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Bavafongoul said:
Any cue-maker that treats any customer the way Zinzola has been accused of behaving is a cheat, crook, liar and scumbag.......and probably should be reported to the Better Business Association, The American Cue-Makers Association, and the local District Attorney's Office for consumer fraud, and of course, banned from AZ.

Having said that, I'm not saying that Zinzola did or didn't do what he's been accused of but it sure doesn't look good based upon the specific details of the complaints, This really sucks and no one should order another cue until Tony Zinzola answers these allegations which ironically seem to comport really well with the explanations and cited timeframes.

Zinzola....are out there reading the shit being written about you........time to grow a pair of balls, try to act like a man and answer these charges. Hiding is cowardly and only incriminates you all the more so. You cue-making reputation will be shit until you exonerate yourself or make things right for all the complainants pronto fast.

Everyone on AZ should spread word of this situation and hopefully after Tony Z sees his sales suffer and his reputation continuing to be soiled, he'll relent and make things right for these unfortunate customers or prove he's not done anything wrong and he's guiltless which is becoming increasingly unimaginable to believe would be true.
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I sure hope Tony responds. The problem is that he has done this to too many people, some being a few very big collectors.


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The cues pictured in this thread are amazing.......in the worst sort of way!

Steve,
You've been extraordinarily patient with Zinzola, and, I agree, the time is ripe to bring this to a head. These cues are, in a word, embarrassing. Unless I owned one, then the word would be radically different. And I can imagine how you feel.

I wish a speedy resolution, to your satisfaction.

Will Prout
 
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ibuycues said:
The cues pictured in this thread are amazing.......in the worst sort of way!

Steve,
You've been extraordinarily patient with Zinzola, and, I agree, the time is ripe to bring this to a head. These cues are, in a word, embarrassing. Unless I owned one, then the word would be radically different. And I can imagine how you feel.

I wish a speedy resolution, to your satisfaction.

Will Prout
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thanks Will, but I wont be holding my breath.



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Thanks for the explanation Kevin. Thats most likely where the term came from. I too, may have received my share.

I can remember riding the Wall of Death (we didn't use helmets), 1989, I got tangled up with another rider, went over the handle bars and gave myself a royal Coco Bonk on the wooden floor from 12 ft up and approx 45 mph.

Yeah, I saw stars and then a nice calm came over me as my head hit the floor the second time. My cyphering and gazintas were not much good after that one. I'm still pretty good at sanding wood tho. Kind of got ripped on that deal. the least that could have happened is that I could have become a Classical Pianist after that hit.
 
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Im not into bashing people at all.i only state the following based of what i have been told by others or have seen first hand. I know of two zinzola cues that i have had in my hands that all rolled bad. These cues were brand new. The shafts were all warped. From what i was told tony said hed replace them as soon as he could. months later the owners find out that tony is unable to make any shafts as hes out of shaft wood. and that his shafts would be replace with another cue makers shafts. i also know of several people that have paid tony in full for custom cues that havent even been started to the best of their knowledge.
 
I replied in the Cue & Case Gallery but it seems it gets more attention here.

I'm not gonna go into the workmanship of his cue since i never did received mine, although i have bought another from AZ and that one was ok but it was just a 4 pointer which i've traded away long ago.

The biggest problem i have with TZ is that he is a Perpetual Liar.

I understand and accept that cue maker's time is like rubber..it stretches. But TZ lies.

He uses his family as excuses all the time, his wife, kids, sick kids, visiting parents, storm....ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can be capitalised on. I gave him the benefit of doubt before and so did my friends but that has long ran dry.

Then he goes on about how he regrets going into cue making that he doesn't make any money and all..

He will stop at nothing to delay. And if those "excuses" are true it's one thing but there are other people who'd get cues first just because they paid more.

I have 4 immediate friends who are owed Cues & Cash. Cash exceeding $10grand...and if you put the cash and cue together it easily equates $15grand or more. I have been fortunate enough to get my cash refund back, but it was NOT an easy task and i had alot of help from friends...i just wish he had gotten his share back as well.

Tony's cue plays good, he is capable of making beautiful cues that is unmistakably his in design and that's hard to come by in a cue maker these days. However he screwed himself up so badly that there's just no way he is ever coming back. Ever.
 
RunoutJJ said:
Its spelled paid not payed... Just trying to help
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Haha, I cannot imagine having the time to dissect someone's post as to point out petty misspellings! Anyhow, I am like the MAJORITY of the people in this thread and that being the fact that I am losing my patience with Tony. He did tell me however that he would be wrapping my cue up today or tomorrow so I will definitely wait and see one more time. As far as the workmanship of the OP's cue.....it is sad however I have seen some of Tonys more recent cues and they are flawless so I don't know what the help happened there! My situation with a Tony has indeed been a long one that is going to take an ugly turn soon but I am somehow still confident he will come through. For those waiting..just give him a call, he seems to be available to speak to customers about past due dates.
 
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blucollar said:
Haha, I cannot imagine having the time to dissect someone's post as to point out petty misspellings! Anyhow, I am like the MAJORITY of the people in this thread and that being the fact that I am losing my patience with Tony. He did tell me however that he would be wrapping my cue up today or tomorrow so I will definitely wait and see one more time. As far as the workmanship of the OP's cue.....it is sad however I have seen some of Tonys more recent cues and they are flawless so I don't know what the help happened there! My situation with a Tony has indeed been a long one that is going to take an ugly turn soon but I am somehow still confident he will come through. For those waiting..just give him a call, he seems to be available to speak to customers about past due dates.
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I sure hope you get your cue.......
 
tikkler said:
me and my brother grew up rooting for BOBO, and Bruno...lol



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Hey Steve, Is that Bruno Sanmartino your speaking of? Good Lord that brings back memories of the early days of 'wrestling'!! Wasn't there a bad dude named the Detroit Destroyer as well???
 
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