We NEED a new rule for the wanted/for sale section
- Thread starter Monstermash
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No posted price is extremely anoying. To those who would say it's the seller's post and they have the right to do what they want, I say when you join a community, you must follow the communities rules. (there are plenty of examples of that in our society) If you don't want to post a price, then you have the right to go somewhere else and post your sale missing any crucial details that you want.
I'm curious how this question would turn out as a poll . . .
Mr H
I'm curious how this question would turn out as a poll . . .
Mr H
No new rules needed...
You don't seem to be able to follow the ones we have.
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http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=129013
As far as your idea. I do not like it. It is their listing and they should be able to do it however they like. If for whatever reason they perfer PM disclosure that is their perogative. If you don't want to read further it is yours.
You don't seem to be able to follow the ones we have.
:smile:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=129013
As far as your idea. I do not like it. It is their listing and they should be able to do it however they like. If for whatever reason they perfer PM disclosure that is their perogative. If you don't want to read further it is yours.
And thats a wrap.
People who judge everything by their limited understanding,think if others don't do it their way they must be forced to by rules or ranting.
If someone wants to put up a thread and it doesn't suit you just click the arrow at the top left of the screen and move on.Any other behavoir indicates you are the one with a proble
Boo hoo !my life is so messed up there are no pics,boo hoo there are no prices.What kind of person needs to attack others over such a trivial matter? A good example is the thread by Lady Balabushka,I don't know the entire story,but if my wife had to sell the cues in my estate and someone treated her that way it would disturb me,in fact I am making sure that I leave instructions for her to avoid this thread all together.
If someone wants to put up a thread and it doesn't suit you just click the arrow at the top left of the screen and move on.Any other behavoir indicates you are the one with a proble
Boo hoo !my life is so messed up there are no pics,boo hoo there are no prices.What kind of person needs to attack others over such a trivial matter? A good example is the thread by Lady Balabushka,I don't know the entire story,but if my wife had to sell the cues in my estate and someone treated her that way it would disturb me,in fact I am making sure that I leave instructions for her to avoid this thread all together.
you probably can't afford it!
collectable cues are a private matter between buyer and seller.
I used to post prices but kept raising them until the cues were sold. Go figure.
Now i would just a soon not even post a picture, let alone a price!
Good reputations sell cues. The rep of the builder sells cues. The rep of the seller sells cues. Price seldom is a object to many collectors as long as it is a private sale.
If you haven't spent oer 5k on a cue you will never understand anything i just said!
Nick
good call nick i agree
its up to the seller how he lists something
So a profit can be made by the seller and the next buyer when he resells it!
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Wow...
people really have hard feeling about not posting a price...talking about freedom etc...wow...so i will add my $0.02. Personally, if there is no price i dont even give it a 2nd look, i move on. I am sure i have missed out on several cues that i would have loved to have, but if you dont have the time to post a price, i dont have the time to be bothered to email you. Just personal!
people really have hard feeling about not posting a price...talking about freedom etc...wow...so i will add my $0.02. Personally, if there is no price i dont even give it a 2nd look, i move on. I am sure i have missed out on several cues that i would have loved to have, but if you dont have the time to post a price, i dont have the time to be bothered to email you. Just personal!
Two sides to every coin...
First and foremost....
Buyers ready to spend their money on this forum have to take a little responsibility for their actions and accept that fact that if they don't do a little independent research before they buy an item then they run the risk of overpaying....not all sellers who don't post a price are out to rip people off. There are numerous reasons not to post a price. The fact remains that it is the buyer's responsibility to make sure they are paying a fair price. Even if the price isn't posted their are ways to protect yourself, it just takes a little effort is all...
On the flip-side...if you are selling a cue that is a mid-low level cue and you don't post a price, to a lot of potential buyers it automatically casts a shadow of doubt over your sell. To an average Joe like me it makes it appear that the seller is just trying to maximize their profit margins at the expense of a inexperienced buyer...in the end the seller is stepping on their own foot
Nick brings up a good point IMHO. The exception to this "price listing issue" are highend collector pieces. The people in the market for these goods know enough not to get ripped off and the one's who don't usually aren't potential buyers so it is of little consequence to a guy like me if the price these types of items aren't listed....I know I can't afford it and I'm just going to admire the workmanship:grin:
In the rare situation where you have a relatively inexperienced buyer looking to step up into the world of true collector pieces then you have to come back to my first point....do some independent research, protect yourself!! If you don't know what a fair price should be ask around and put in a little time before you just ship off your hard earned money...
Buyers are in control of their own destinies and sellers are hurting themselves in the long run by ripping people off...
The most knowledgeable people on this forum can't seem to agree on the issue of price listing but one thing is for sure....if the average Joe stops using this site because it has gotten a rep as a "viper pit" then everyone loses...IMHO
First and foremost....
Buyers ready to spend their money on this forum have to take a little responsibility for their actions and accept that fact that if they don't do a little independent research before they buy an item then they run the risk of overpaying....not all sellers who don't post a price are out to rip people off. There are numerous reasons not to post a price. The fact remains that it is the buyer's responsibility to make sure they are paying a fair price. Even if the price isn't posted their are ways to protect yourself, it just takes a little effort is all...
On the flip-side...if you are selling a cue that is a mid-low level cue and you don't post a price, to a lot of potential buyers it automatically casts a shadow of doubt over your sell. To an average Joe like me it makes it appear that the seller is just trying to maximize their profit margins at the expense of a inexperienced buyer...in the end the seller is stepping on their own foot
Nick brings up a good point IMHO. The exception to this "price listing issue" are highend collector pieces. The people in the market for these goods know enough not to get ripped off and the one's who don't usually aren't potential buyers so it is of little consequence to a guy like me if the price these types of items aren't listed....I know I can't afford it and I'm just going to admire the workmanship:grin:
In the rare situation where you have a relatively inexperienced buyer looking to step up into the world of true collector pieces then you have to come back to my first point....do some independent research, protect yourself!! If you don't know what a fair price should be ask around and put in a little time before you just ship off your hard earned money...
Buyers are in control of their own destinies and sellers are hurting themselves in the long run by ripping people off...
The most knowledgeable people on this forum can't seem to agree on the issue of price listing but one thing is for sure....if the average Joe stops using this site because it has gotten a rep as a "viper pit" then everyone loses...IMHO
Let's get first things first. The OP of this thread violated the rules to start with. This discussion does not belong in this thread since he isn't buying or selling a billiards item. This is in the wrong forum and all of you know that.
Secondly, one valid reason not to post a price is to protect the buyer's purchase information if the buyer is wanting to resell the cue/billiards item. If this isn't true, why do most sellers remove the price in the thread after the sale. Exactly for that reason. However, the price is still out there if somneone else did a reply with the original copy in it, so historically, the price is still available to others after the sale.
Thirdly, wtf? Dictating that someone must include pics, price, etc is just the start of tyrranical rule. Next thing, some whiner will complain to the mods that no more cues under a certain value should be allowed to be posted because an invisible majority is not interested in such "junk". WHERE DOES IT STOP?
Mods, please move this thread, it is bouncing AZer's for sale posts down when it shouldn't be in here to begin with.<<<-------- Now, this is a legitimate complaint.
Secondly, one valid reason not to post a price is to protect the buyer's purchase information if the buyer is wanting to resell the cue/billiards item. If this isn't true, why do most sellers remove the price in the thread after the sale. Exactly for that reason. However, the price is still out there if somneone else did a reply with the original copy in it, so historically, the price is still available to others after the sale.
Thirdly, wtf? Dictating that someone must include pics, price, etc is just the start of tyrranical rule. Next thing, some whiner will complain to the mods that no more cues under a certain value should be allowed to be posted because an invisible majority is not interested in such "junk". WHERE DOES IT STOP?
Mods, please move this thread, it is bouncing AZer's for sale posts down when it shouldn't be in here to begin with.<<<-------- Now, this is a legitimate complaint.
I'm a staunch proponent of posting a price, pics, and detailed specs. I don't buy the keeping it private biz - nowhere do I believe the eventual sale price or buyer need be - or should be - posted, unless the buyer wishes to post such themselves. Even then, I don't think the buyer should post the purchase price. Part of the requirement for a fair exchange in selling is the needs of the seller at the time, and that parameter doesn't always lend itself to setting true value in a monetary sense.
On the other hand, if I'm selling a $200 sneaky - I'll post pics & a good description, but don't expect me to jump to the moon to take more pics, pm/e-mail ad infinitum, answer question after question, etc. It's not that important to me - if it is to you, you may need to look elsewhere. You certainly have that right - no hard feelings.
I appreciate that for some "collector" pieces, it's not about specs for playability - they don't matter.
All that being said, I don't support enforcing any additional "rule", but seller beware... If I'm in the mood to buy something, it doesn't mean I'm in the mood to chase it around like a dog to a bone... and what you have to sell isn't necessarily going to be important enough to me to invest time asking for specs that already should be there so I'll know if I'm intersted in the first place, and then play mail tag toward some top offer game.
Ebay is available to those ends...
I don't buy $5k cues... don't want to carry one & don't want it drawing dust. But if I decided there was one I had to have, trust me...
Lastly - I do support moving this thread since none of us are selling anything.
On the other hand, if I'm selling a $200 sneaky - I'll post pics & a good description, but don't expect me to jump to the moon to take more pics, pm/e-mail ad infinitum, answer question after question, etc. It's not that important to me - if it is to you, you may need to look elsewhere. You certainly have that right - no hard feelings.
I appreciate that for some "collector" pieces, it's not about specs for playability - they don't matter.
All that being said, I don't support enforcing any additional "rule", but seller beware... If I'm in the mood to buy something, it doesn't mean I'm in the mood to chase it around like a dog to a bone... and what you have to sell isn't necessarily going to be important enough to me to invest time asking for specs that already should be there so I'll know if I'm intersted in the first place, and then play mail tag toward some top offer game.
Ebay is available to those ends...
I don't buy $5k cues... don't want to carry one & don't want it drawing dust. But if I decided there was one I had to have, trust me...
Lastly - I do support moving this thread since none of us are selling anything.
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Another new rule suggestion: If there's not a snowball's chance in hell of you buying the item in question, then it's illegal to comment in the FS thread. Geesh...come on guys, aren't there bigger things to worry about here?
In most instances, pics and a price are appropriate and expected, but as a potential buyer, my gosh, I'm certainly not going to pass on the opportunity to get something I want if it requires me doing a little bit of work to inquire, just because it lacks pics or a price.
Also, good to remember that we're are all individuals, with our own quirks and idiosyncrasies....
Geesh...come on guys, aren't there bigger things to worry about here? In most instances, pics and a price are appropriate and expected, but as a potential buyer, my gosh, I'm certainly not going to pass on the opportunity to get something I want if it requires me doing a little bit of work to inquire, just because it lacks pics or a price.
Also, good to remember that we're are all individuals, with our own quirks and idiosyncrasies....
You don't seem to be able to follow the ones we have.
With this exception I do follow the rules. The only reason I listed this here is because it is directly related to the wanted/for sale section and for maximum exposure. There are a lot of folks here how never look at the for sale section and a lot of others who never look anywhere else. The get to the point of the issue, this forum is the only place to reach the interested parties.
I find it interesting that the people who are very opposed to the idea of being required to post a price are the very one's who frequently omit the price in their listings. While I agree that there are exceptions such as a vintage/collectable cue I believe that not posting a price does everyone a disservice.
What if the rest of society treated everything like this? How's this for a scenario: You go to buy a new vehicle at your local dealer and there is no window sticker or price of any kind listed on the vehicle. After walking around it several times you ask the dealer for a price and they tell you to make an offer. So rather than insult him you ask for a ballpark figure of what they're looking to get. They refuse to answer so you throw out a price to which the dealer ignors you, laughs at you, or even worse gets mad at you for insulting him. How does that make you feel? Pretty pissed right? Well that happens here all the time here just substitute the word "vehicle" for the word "cue" and there you have it.
And thats my main problem with sellers not listing a price. It's not the 10 seconds you have to spend to send the pm, it's the rude response or lack thereof that really is the problem. I've had several issues like this happen here. I'm not going to mention the sellers by name (you know who you are) but suffice to say I have had responses to inquiries that they NEVER would have posted in the open forum. There are a lot of members here that act a certain way in the open forum and then treat people completely different via PM because they know it's private.
To an end, my point is the reason people don't list a price in the initial ad is because they are trying to rip you off and they know they'll get flamed if they do list it. There are exceptions with the vintage/collectables but other than that there is no excuse. Not once have I responded to an ad with no price and had the seller divulge the price and thought "hey, thats a great price". If it was such a great deal, they would have posted it in the first place. You know it and I know it. Anything else is just an excuse for the shoddy business practices some people here use.
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Production cues should also be banned along with cues selling for more than the original selling price.
Allow only one bump from the seller, only one cue per month from anyone.
No dealers
No one with less than 1000 posts can list a cue.
Must make 100 more quality posts before they can list another cue
Cannot be relisted by the seller.
Don't allow posts from others that are not interested in buying
Don't allow attention to a EBay listing
The same cue cannot be sold again by the new buyer.
What else should be banned????
I think if we come up with enough rules the site can be closed down.
Allow only one bump from the seller, only one cue per month from anyone.
No dealers
No one with less than 1000 posts can list a cue.
Must make 100 more quality posts before they can list another cue
Cannot be relisted by the seller.
Don't allow posts from others that are not interested in buying
Don't allow attention to a EBay listing
The same cue cannot be sold again by the new buyer.
What else should be banned????
I think if we come up with enough rules the site can be closed down.
Good post, if I buy a $10,000 cue at a steal of a price, I don't need somebody three months later throwing that up in my face. In most instances, the sale price is best left between the buyer and the seller.
Doug
Hey Azer's,
My 4 sale threads usually come with prices.
There are exceptions..
I do have a thread currently in the this section for sale, that doesn't have a price!! It's my HighEnd Manzino..
Obviously not everyone is going to be in the market for this cue.
If someone is interested they won't have a problem doing it privately.
Many High End buyers don't want their cues labeled
with a price in a public forum. Some people don't want the world to know they spent 25K-50K on a cue, especially when it can be archived. If someone hits QUOTE when they reply on your thread, that price can't be edited.
Certain situations a real buyer appreciates no price.
Best,
Ken Kerner
My 4 sale threads usually come with prices.
There are exceptions..
I do have a thread currently in the this section for sale, that doesn't have a price!! It's my HighEnd Manzino..
Obviously not everyone is going to be in the market for this cue.
If someone is interested they won't have a problem doing it privately.
Many High End buyers don't want their cues labeled
with a price in a public forum. Some people don't want the world to know they spent 25K-50K on a cue, especially when it can be archived. If someone hits QUOTE when they reply on your thread, that price can't be edited.
Certain situations a real buyer appreciates no price.
Best,
Ken Kerner
Monstermash,
Why are you so concerned about this subject? You are selling the two cues you praised up and down that you would never sell. Now because you do not play pool that much you want to sell them. Post a price or not. Post pictures or not. THIS IS A CHOICE ON HOW TO SELL YOUR ITEMS. Why do you feel it necessary on making rules on how others sell their items? If you do not like, move on. Save yourself some aggravation. You seem to worry a lot on how other people spend their hard earned money in the past. Now you want to tell other people how to sell their items.
Why is is that?
Chris
Why are you so concerned about this subject? You are selling the two cues you praised up and down that you would never sell. Now because you do not play pool that much you want to sell them. Post a price or not. Post pictures or not. THIS IS A CHOICE ON HOW TO SELL YOUR ITEMS. Why do you feel it necessary on making rules on how others sell their items? If you do not like, move on. Save yourself some aggravation. You seem to worry a lot on how other people spend their hard earned money in the past. Now you want to tell other people how to sell their items.
Why is is that?
Chris
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I'm not telling anyone how to sell their items. I suggested the rule because myself and lots of others here are getting tired of all for sale threads that don't list price. How do you expect to buy anything without knowing the price. How about if the supermarket didn't have prices? Then what? You have to hunt someone down and ask them how much each item is? It's just common courtesy to list a price if you're selling something. This is the only place on earth that people feel it's ok to try and sell something without listing a price. It just makes no sense.
Do you think I'm the one that came up with this idea? Because I'm not. It's a rule on many other forums. To me, if you're not posting a price it's because you're trying to take advantage of someone with the afore mentioned exceptions.
Here is a link to the classified rules section on another forum I frequent:
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=50595
No one over there seems to have a problem with it. It's all just common sense. In this society we have rules we have to live by. Without them it's anarchy.
Please show me where I stated that I would never sell these two cues. Te be honest I would never sell the cues if I wasn't tired of all the jackasses who play the game in my area. It's nearly impossible to have a game between to gentlemen anymore. Everyone in my area has an attitude and are sore losers. I quite the game 5 years ago and just returned about 6 months ago hoping there would be a new crop of players in my area and things would change. There is a new crop of players but nothing has changed.
To be honest, based on some of the stuff I see posted on this site I'm not so sure it's just in my area. The lack of common courtesy in the world is mindblowing.
we can't follow the current rules, what makes you think anyone would follow this one. If you want a price, simply ask. If you think everyone should know post it after you ask. Sure you won't get to many more prices unless your actually buying for a bigger than normal (lets say 1K) markup.