Who has the worst fundamentals?
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I'm with 9 ball B on Hopkins. That short, punchy stroke of his irritates the sh!t outta me. No offense, JAM, but Keith's sidearm isn't exactly textbook. Fats stood damn near straight up when he played. Grady's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" stance isn't the prettiest thing to look at either. Face it, there are plenty of people out there that don't have the best form, but that doesn't mean they can't play. As long as that cue comes out straight the balls have no idea what you're doing back there.
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It depends on what you mean by fundamentals. If you mean the textbook-style stance, stroke, and approach that everybody seems to be teaching now-a-days, probably Kieth McCready, with Francisco and Morro getting an honorable mention.
If by fundamentals you mean the ability to break down everything in a shot so you know exactly what is going to happen when you stroke the ball, I think anybody that considers themselves a pro should have that down pat, so there's no real "worst".
If by fundamentals you mean the ability to break down everything in a shot so you know exactly what is going to happen when you stroke the ball, I think anybody that considers themselves a pro should have that down pat, so there's no real "worst".
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No contest.
When it comes to popping up out of my stance, I'll spot you the orange crush. They used to call me Black-Jack-in-the-Box.
As far as Mike Davis goes, it don't look pretty, but he rarely misses. That's all that counts. His mechanics have taken him to where he is at today - he's one of the greatest players in the world.
anybody who knows pool in colorado, and probably alot of you others there is no contest that mike helmer and dave black have the WORST strokes in the history of pool but anybody who knows either one of them know better than to put their money up against either of them. mikes is extremely choppy with no rythem what so ever and dave just has no stroke he get up there maybe takes a half in practice stroke and hits it but has plenty of follow through, if anybody wants proof they both played matches on ontherail at the platte valley open you can see both of them play and to further explain both of their skills...before this year only two people have beaten mike at this tournament shane vanboening and rodney morris and dave black went hill hill this year with raj hundal and had it won until he made a costly error with the bridge.
In what way do you find Ortmann's stroke lacking in fundamentals just because you don't like watching him.
In fact with all their picadillos, most players who seems awkward actually go through the ball clean and straight.
Blackjack said:
Mike has an "ugly-as-all-hell" stroke, and he is well aware of that fact, but it works for him and in his defense he has: been multi-year Planet Pool Tour Champion, Blaze Tour Champion (I think), Reno Open wins (2), US Bar Table Championships, a couple Florida Pro Tour Wins, an International Pro Win (Korea), and has been a winning (sorta) member of Mosconi Cup Team USA. And although 12th ranked at the moment, Mike has consistently been ranked in the US top ten for the last 6-7 years...
So yeah, I'd say he's one of the greatest in the world.
When it comes to popping up out of my stance, I'll spot you the orange crush. They used to call me Black-Jack-in-the-Box.
As far as Mike Davis goes, it don't look pretty, but he rarely misses. That's all that counts. His mechanics have taken him to where he is at today - he's one of the greatest players in the world.
if it was just jumping up i think i might get away with it more. i short stroke balls while jumping up to make sure i miss it! lol
Mike Davis was my first thought as soon as I saw the title of this thread. I watched him play a local tournament here in Raleigh one weekend and wow, can he shoot. Hes a real nice guy too, but his stroke tripped me out. It looked as if he pivots at the shoulder instead of the elbow. Again, he can shoot really good, and didn't have many missed shots all weekend.
With out questions Mike Davis...but damn that guy can play.
Believe it or not, when Efren first came over here, everyone thought his up and down stroke was a joke. NO ONE could seriously play good that way! We all expected his stroke to fail him after a while. Well, it's 25 years later and we're still waiting. 
LOLz, I agree his stroke is annoying, along with Allen Hopkins no backstroke stroke.