Why no "Aiming Systems" at the SBE?
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Because "aiming systems" are for beginners learning which side of the ball to hit and not really useful once you learn this.
Its like kicking and banking systems... if you are truly using them to shoot, I would bet you are missing almost everything. Inside your head you may be subconsciously adjusting, but in reality, you are missing.
Its like kicking and banking systems... if you are truly using them to shoot, I would bet you are missing almost everything. Inside your head you may be subconsciously adjusting, but in reality, you are missing.
I don't think I agree that it's just for beginners. If so, why have so many pros stated they are using CTE, TOI, Etc?
Because they are taught by very respected instructors and are not peddled in a booth.
So they have something to sell to beginners looking for the "secrets" of pool.
WOW! There's an entire separate forum for aiming systems, a new one coming out every few months, pros peddle them, pros "use" them and now it's for beginners? So I'm gathering the majority of people on this forum are beginners? Because they sure as hell generate enough aiming system talk and controversy that there's gotta be something to it.
I guess I was looking for some different reasons why....
I guess I was looking for some different reasons why....
For the most part, most info is out there for free. You can learn A LOT for free.
With TAR, we've spent a bunch of money to produce a video on how Shane aims and I can assure you, nobody involved will be getting rich on this. We even made it available for digital download so we're able to make it cheaper for anyone who wants to buy it. $15, gotta be the cheapest instructional video I've ever seen on the market and one of the highest quality.
Funny story while shooting the video with Shane. JCIN knows nothing about aiming systems and has almost went out of his way to ignore the aiming threads because he just doesn't understand them. Mid way through shooting, you could see the moment when the lightbulb with off over both Jenn's and Justin's head. Almost at the same time, they understood it. We stopped filming while Justin jumped on the table and just started pocketing balls using it and said "wow, it actually works". LOL I thought it was funny.
People only understand things that are exposed to them. Many people are not at the level where they can use aiming systems, so they decide to trash it. In every aiming system, it requires a straight stroke, which I doubt everyone has perfected. Don't get too crazy over closed-minded comments.
To address your original question, i'm very surprised there weren't any instructors there selling their aiming system. I would have thought they would have made "bank" on selling.
Maybe because aiming systems are not something you sell individually, like
"yes, could I have one aiming system please? And a coke."
They're usually part of a general instruction package.
Maybe their big banner said something like "instructional DVDs" or "mastering pool"
or "professional lessons" rather than saying "aiming systems".
Or maybe the booths are too expensive to rent for someone who is just hoping to sell a handful of DVDs, at a max of $40 each?
"yes, could I have one aiming system please? And a coke."
They're usually part of a general instruction package.
Maybe their big banner said something like "instructional DVDs" or "mastering pool"
or "professional lessons" rather than saying "aiming systems".
Or maybe the booths are too expensive to rent for someone who is just hoping to sell a handful of DVDs, at a max of $40 each?
Funny that you say this because I saw Jayson Shaw last night using a system to figure kicks. The only ones he missed were the ones he didn't measure.
And Ike Runnels asked me to help him with CTE.
The reason no one was "selling" aiming systems at the SBE is because no one SELLS them. This isn't some quick fix or a drill you can do.
I know you are a world class player in your own right but you are not correct with your statements here in my opinion.
Because earlier in the week, you didn't even need to aim to make a ball on the new rails and felt. Everything went in.
You've got to be kidding me. Kicking systems make kicking so much easier. If you want to bet against me kicking balls 1 rail using diamond systems, you're gonna quit before I do.
I thought about doing a booth at SBE for the release of the SVB video. Here is why I didn't
Airfare: $500
Booth Cost: $1100 + usual BS convention center charges
Hotel:$600-$700
Promotional banners/materials: $500-$1000
Figure an easy $3000 nut to do a booth for three full days and half of Sunday. I have done a booth at SBE before and its a lot of work. Its a real good way to risk a lot of money and spend a lot of hours just to probably break even at best.
Instead of doing all that I decided to stay home, make the product cheaper for the customer and sell direct to them online. The Expo is a great thing for certain types of businesses. For others its a great way to waste a lot of time and money.
Airfare: $500
Booth Cost: $1100 + usual BS convention center charges
Hotel:$600-$700
Promotional banners/materials: $500-$1000
Figure an easy $3000 nut to do a booth for three full days and half of Sunday. I have done a booth at SBE before and its a lot of work. Its a real good way to risk a lot of money and spend a lot of hours just to probably break even at best.
Instead of doing all that I decided to stay home, make the product cheaper for the customer and sell direct to them online. The Expo is a great thing for certain types of businesses. For others its a great way to waste a lot of time and money.
Nice to meet you JB what system was he using for banking. I don't think he uses one for playing nor did I see any pro at the SBE using one ,unless they were hiding it very well. I know some like Shane use the shaft but that's not a system I know some lower level pros that have used it but most just go back to the way they aimed before other than Stevie Moore who I think is also teaching it I can't think of one that uses one one
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Deal, but here are the rules
1. You stipulate the system you use before we start and diagram it.
2. You HAVE to hit exactly where your original diagram states
3. We change tables every couple shots
Systems are viable but they are general in nature. There are so many variables that are not taken into account or can't be taken into account. I see people all the time using systems and missing kicks by a diamond. Only when they start adjusting do they come close. Therefore, you are making random adjustments to a system that you think is correct. (its random because you don't strike the ball the same every time)
Tuzul's system has specific calibration shots for each table. While they don't cover all of the variables, they do provide valuable input for correcting the calculation for each shot.
back in the 80's it was "Can I have a aiming system and a 8 ball of coke*?"
*Fatboy has never done coke once, he is a sissy when it comes to that kind of stuff, however he did see lots of it in the pool rooms back then....
OK that was my lame joke of the day.
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Eric:smile:
I've played Ike on a few occasions and he wasn't using any system I could see. Definitely no pivoting. I can see a use for banking and kicking systems. Even using the diamonds is a system and you can't argue the diamonds make it easier.
currently producing a TOI Banking System video (TIPS)
The TOI Technique is not an "aiming system" it's a totally different way to play pool. It works because of the blending of the shot speed, shot angle and cue ball target into the TOI System. I align the cue ball to the object ball and create the angle by using the TOI.....it's not considered "aiming" like in the other systems you see referred to.
We didn't go to the EXPO because I'm currently producing a TOI Banking System video (TIPS) and busy with seminars, and consulting for a major nightclub that's opening soon in the DFW area.
I've never been to the SBE, but it looks interesting, maybe some day I'll take the time to visit, if it were closer to Texas I definitely would. New Jersey's a bit "off the beaten path" for me.
The TOI Technique is not an "aiming system" it's a totally different way to play pool. It works because of the blending of the shot speed, shot angle and cue ball target into the TOI System. I align the cue ball to the object ball and create the angle by using the TOI.....it's not considered "aiming" like in the other systems you see referred to.
We didn't go to the EXPO because I'm currently producing a TOI Banking System video (TIPS) and busy with seminars, and consulting for a major nightclub that's opening soon in the DFW area.
I've never been to the SBE, but it looks interesting, maybe some day I'll take the time to visit, if it were closer to Texas I definitely would. New Jersey's a bit "off the beaten path" for me.