With all due respect CJ Wiley

[CJ Wiley]

Earl tells what he finds more important in life

I can't see anybody thinking clearly after that.
I've seen Earl give up, but I don't expect him to dump.

At snooker, when someone runs a maximum (147).....
...they often lose the match.

Earl would NEVER dump a match on ESPN or anywhere else!!! People can say what they wish about Earl, and he, (like all athletes) self distucts and loses sometimes, BUT NEVER on purpose......

Earl tells what he truly cares about and were his passion is rooted in this link....

EARL TELLS WHAT HE FINDS MORE IMPORTANT IN LIFE THAN POOL

 

[decent dennis]

I understand your point and don't agree with it. I think that pros SHOULD be given more respect in an open forum, the same respect that they are ALWAYS given in the pool room.

But online, as everyone knows by now, some people feel much freerer to be assholes than they allow themselves to be in real life.

In the virtual reality game Second Life they have a section of the world called Jessie where there are no rules. Whoever goes there can be killed at any instant which means they have to login again and start in whatever part of the world that they have as their home base (could be different now) - anyway the reason this section of the world was set up was to contain all the trolls who were disrupting life elsewhere across the Second Life platform.

Over in Jessie it's an anything goes format. In the rest of the world it's much more civilized interaction. People are free to go to Jessie as they wish and fade the heat of the kitchen so speak but it's a rotten place in most people's assessment.

So while I completely understand the heat of the kitchen concept as one who has been dealing with it for years I also think it's a sad state when the kitchen is unnessarily hot. I am on a few other forums where professionals in that industry hang out, leather and woodworking and they are treated with respect and deference and in return they dispense pro advice that is priceless.

On those forums there are MANY moderators who quickly and swiftly surgically remove any comments that are out of line and who gently remind the poster who made them that what they did is not allowed. Thus threads NEVER have a chance to develop into flame wars and threads like this one simply do not exist EVER.

Don't know no god damn Jessie.

 

[jburkm002]

I wonder how many members are afraid to post on this forum. Personal attacks seem to be the norm. It's not even a difference in opinion. Some people seem to like creating drama. There seem to be clicks. If your not in a click and disagree your attacked. If you take a side your a nuthugger. Make me wonder if little kids post on here. I don't like confrontation in person and i sure don't like it from a screen name. Respect seems to be lost.

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[Blue Hog ridr]

Clique. It can be pronounced as Click or Cleek.

At least I have heard it both ways, but what would I know as I live in close to what you would refer to as a Red Neck Province.

We have just as many snow mobiles and 4 x 4s as trailers.

Next to Hockey and Curling, Ice Fishing while drinking heavily is actually a sport. 4x4s and snowmobiles are often involved.

 

[punter]

There are other Pro's that post on AZ Billiards that sell DVD's, Books, Cues and Cases. They do it in the For Sale section If at all and do not, however thinly disguised, on the Main Forum. For Example Ray Martin, John Schmidt, Jay Helffert, Jack Justis, Dan Janes and others. When these guys post it is relevant to pool...when you post it is all about you! Just my opinion but while your intentions may be genuine they do not come off that way.

Regards

Wedge

Maybe there could be a new "You want some Cheese with That Whine" Forum for threads like this one.

 

[JB Cases]

I wonder how many members are afraid to post on this forum. Personal attacks seem to be the norm. It's not even a difference in opinion. Some people seem to like creating drama. There seem to be clicks. If your not in a click and disagree your attacked. If you take a side your a nuthugger. Make me wonder if little kids post on here. I don't like confrontation in person and i sure don't like it from a screen name. Respect seems to be lost.

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I can tell you that I have met dozens of people who read AZB and will not post because they are either afraid they will get hammered or they are afraid they will go off. One Bonafide Champion said the latter to me about ten days ago. This man gave me some instruction that changed my speed control for the better immediately. A guy like him has a lot to offer. But he has a little temper and it wouldn't be hard for a troll to set him off.

 

[CJ Wiley]

There will not be any professional players that post on here anytime soon

I wonder how many members are afraid to post on this forum. Personal attacks seem to be the norm. It's not even a difference in opinion. Some people seem to like creating drama. There seem to be clicks. If your not in a click and disagree your attacked. If you take a side your a nuthugger. Make me wonder if little kids post on here. I don't like confrontation in person and i sure don't like it from a screen name. Respect seems to be lost.

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I've heard from countless people that they won't post because of the personal attacks and needless confrontation. There will not be any professional players post on AZ with any of their "personal" thoughts, systems or techniques because of these reasons - maybe at some point I could be a liaison, but I don't think it's prudent at this time.

Everyone is free to believe whatever they want (about why no more pros post), this is just the truth as I've been told. It's too bad really, it would be fun if more professional players decided to "throw caution into the wind," and post {regardless of the responses}. I would only encourage them to do so if they want to practice patience, tolerance and understanding....:groucho:...they're going to need plenty of it. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[sfleinen]

Clique. It can be pronounced as Click or Cleek.

At least I have heard it both ways, but what would I know as I live in close to what you would refer to as a Red Neck Province.

We have just as many snow mobiles and 4 x 4s as trailers.

Next to Hockey and Curling, Ice Fishing while drinking heavily is actually a sport. 4x4s and snowmobiles are often involved.

Do they sell the Canuck version of 4x4s with a camper shell, and tip-up conveniently mounted in the rear bed, so that you just drill a hole in the ice and drive the 4x4 to position the tip-up over it? On second thought, the hole for the tip-up would have be mounted off-center, to miss the 4x4's drive shaft. Cup/bottle holders can be easily positioned around the inside of the camper shell, however.


-Sean <-- somehow thinks a TV network is going to steal his idea for a reality show. Canuck Dynasty.

 

[punter]

What does it matter. CJ Wiley is one of the greatest living players and he is here. Has there been one single instance where someone has asked CJ a question about how to play on this forum where CJ has not taken the time to give a detailed answer from his perspective?

Tap, Tap, Tap. The mindset of some of these guys is unbelievable.

 

[JB Cases]

What makes you think I haven't pm'd him? I have. The gist of it is that I am too far below him to even consider anything I have to say. He's here for hero worship to soothe his massive ego, and nothing else.

I did not say you didn't I asked if you had. Well it seems to me that if you're right and CJ is here for hero worship he isn't getting judging by your harsh comments and similar ones from others.

He does a lot of work though answering questions to just be in it for the ego boost.

I know someone who contacted him through PMS only and had a long conversation about TOI who has not spent a penny with CJ. He was also not pressured to purchase anything.

I think you're wrong about CJ. But that's my read on it. I have found that no matter what the situation there is almost always people lined up on both sides.

 

[AtLarge]

Does anyone know who he beat in the finals to win that championship? ...

Because of the interest shown in this thread in the ESPN World Championship, and because of CJ's mentioning his "world" title so frequently on AzB, I decided to look up some facts about the event. Here's what I found (thanks Billiards Digest and Pool & Billiard Magazine).

• The ESPN World Open 9-Ball Championships were played in Santa Rosa, CA in January, 1996.

• This was an ESPN invitational, staged-for-TV event that had several components -- a pro-am celebrity event, a men's singles event, a women's singles event, a mixed-doubles event, and a playoff between the men's and women's winners. The "celebrities" were (largely or entirely) NBA and NFL cheerleaders.

• This event did not replace the WPA World 9-Ball Championship. Oliver Ortmann was the recently crowned 1995 winner of that event, and Ralf Souquet would later become the 1996 WPA World 9-Ball Champion. Also later in 1996, Rudolfo Luat won the PBT World 9-Ball Championship.

• These championships were held right between the break-away by a number of players from the men's PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) and the formation of CJ's PCA (Professional Cuesports Association). In fact, the PBT was holding its own event that same week (won by Efren Reyes), and their players did not participate in the ESPN event.

• The format for the ESPN events was single elimination, alternating break, races to 7 in the singles and 5 in the doubles.

• The number of pro players was 16 men and 16 women.

• The order of finish in the men's singles event was:
1st -- CJ Wiley
2nd -- Oliver Ortmann;
3rd-4th -- Earl Strickland and Allen Hopkins;
5th-8th -- Steve Knight, Jose Parica, George San Souci, and Danny Medina;
9th-16th -- Kyle Tafoya, Yasunari Itsuzaki, Tom Storm, Mika Immonen, Ismael Paez, Steve Moore, Billy Palmer, and Shannon Daulton.

• CJ played 4 matches to win the singles title, beating Moore 7-2, San Souci 7-6, Strickland 7-6, and Ortmann 7-5.

• Vivian Villarreal beat Allison Fisher 7-5 for the women's title.

• CJ teamed with Loree Jon Jones to win the mixed doubles 5-0 over George San Souci and Linda McWhirt.

• CJ defeated Villarreal 7-3 in the playoff for the men's and women's winners.

• CJ's winnings for the week were $88,500 -- a $1,000 appearance fee in the pro-am, $20,000 for the men's singles win, $7,500 for the mixed doubles win, and $60,000 for his playoff win over Villarreal (she got $40,000!)..

• The total prize purse for the events was $313,000, said to be the largest to that point in the history of pro pool.

 

[punter]

Im pretty sure you are thinking about 2 totally different tournaments. The one where Earl ran the racks for the million, and CJ winning the ESPN world championship.

You are right those were two different tournaments, but in the tournament that Earl ran the 11 for a million, he ended up playing C.J. in the finals, with C.J. winning. I'm pretty sure I saw that one on TV.

 

[PINKLADY]

yáll do realize, that with every post & thread, is an opportunity for them to comment?

and with their every post - is their advertisement....

(it's called "sales" - good publicity/bad publicity; still publicity.... and there is an IGNORE button)

 

[punter]

I like CJ posting here....I would love if Shane dropped in.
What JS brought to this forum wasn't exactly professionalism.

Yeah, but that "Ate by a goat, and shit off a cliff" line will live in infamy.:smile:

 

[JB Cases]

yáll do realize, that with every post & thread, is an opportunity for them to comment?

and with their every post - is their advertisement....

(it's called "sales" - good publicity/bad publicity; still publicity.... and there is an IGNORE button)

I have said that to my stalkers dozens of times. I think some of them finally got the message.

 

[fat Albert]

Whatever C J has to say or promote is far more important, relavant and helpful than one forth of the post on the forum maybe they are in the right category but my how juvenile , critical and down right empty they are and people wonder why Pool can't get out of the pool rooms and become something ? If you can't say something nice dont say nothing at all . Look where the women are and how much public gum smacking do you hear from them about each other unless it is to their face. But is is not on public forum poolplayers are their own worst enemies. Todays players could take a lesson from the early days of Earl , the pic of Ginky on C J 's post and the early players start dressing like a professional if you want to be respected like a professsional. Look at Golf and the women pool players. Quite showing up at tournaments as if you sleep in the car or just came from the construction site.
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[one stroke]

You are right those were two different tournaments, but in the tournament that Earl ran the 11 for a million, he ended up playing C.J. in the finals, with C.J. winning. I'm pretty sure I saw that one on TV.

Yes and that's what I was thinking of and yes Earl dogged it for what ever reason he shot a couple of shot that were definitely head scratchers
Like I said 1 mil in pocket at the guys house who provided it how many people would be grinding against the host


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[CJ Wiley]

the Game of pool was the big winner with Millions of Dollars of exposure WORLDWIDE.

Because of the interest shown in this thread in the ESPN World Championship, and because of CJ's mentioning his "world" title so frequently on AzB, I decided to look up some facts about the event. Here's what I found (thanks Billiards Digest and Pool & Billiard Magazine).

• The ESPN World Open 9-Ball Championships were played in Santa Rosa, CA in January, 1996.

• This was an ESPN invitational, staged-for-TV event that had several components -- a pro-am celebrity event, a men's singles event, a women's singles event, a mixed-doubles event, and a playoff between the men's and women's winners. The "celebrities" were (largely or entirely) NBA and NFL cheerleaders.

• This event did not replace the WPA World 9-Ball Championship. Oliver Ortmann was the recently crowned 1995 winner of that event, and Ralf Souquet would later become the 1996 WPA World 9-Ball Champion. Also later in 1996, Rudolfo Luat won the PBT World 9-Ball Championship.

• These championships were held right between the break-away by a number of players from the men's PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) and the formation of CJ's PCA (Professional Cuesports Association). In fact, the PBT was holding its own event that same week (won by Efren Reyes), and their players did not participate in the ESPN event.

• The format for the ESPN events was single elimination, alternating break, races to 7 in the singles and 5 in the doubles.

• The number of pro players was 16 men and 16 women.

• The order of finish in the men's singles event was:
1st -- CJ Wiley
2nd -- Oliver Ortmann;
3rd-4th -- Earl Strickland and Allen Hopkins;
5th-8th -- Steve Knight, Jose Parica, George San Souci, and Danny Medina;
9th-16th -- Kyle Tafoya, Yasunari Itsuzaki, Tom Storm, Mika Immonen, Ismael Paez, Steve Moore, Billy Palmer, and Shannon Daulton.

• CJ played 4 matches to win the singles title, beating Moore 7-2, San Souci 7-6, Strickland 7-6, and Ortmann 7-5.

• Vivian Villarreal beat Allison Fisher 7-5 for the women's title.

• CJ teamed with Loree Jon Jones to win the mixed doubles 5-0 over George San Souci and Linda McWhirt.

• CJ defeated Villarreal 7-3 in the playoff for the men's and women's winners.

• CJ's winnings for the week were $88,500 -- a $1,000 appearance fee in the pro-am, $20,000 for the men's singles win, $7,500 for the mixed doubles win, and $60,000 for his playoff win over Villarreal (she got $40,000!)..

• The total prize purse for the events was $313,000, said to be the largest to that point in the history of pro pool.

Another key point is that EVERY match in our ESPN World Open Championships were televised. This produced hundreds of international hours of programming that had a retail value (calculated by ESPN air time rate card) of TENS OF MILLION$$ of value for the Game of pool. Can you imagine if that was going on each year how much more popular pool would be right now? This was essentially a GIANT commercial for pool!!!

I may have won $88,500 for my part, however, the Game of pool was the big winner with Millions of Dollars of exposure WORLDWIDE. 'The Game is the Winner'

 

[CJ Wiley]

All together we received thousands of hours of exposure WORLDWIDE on ESPN

You are right those were two different tournaments, but in the tournament that Earl ran the 11 for a million, he ended up playing C.J. in the finals, with C.J. winning. I'm pretty sure I saw that one on TV.

We have that match up at www.cjwiley.com if anyone's interested in seeing it. Actually it's the semi finals and finals of the PRIME SPORTS match that the PCA produced and aired 9 times on TV.

We are developing an entirely different way to showcase "Pool on TV" than we did with the PCA or they do on ESPN.....although the ESPN tournaments were great advertising for the game of pocket billiards. All together we received thousands of hours of exposure WORLDWIDE on ESPN between 96 and 99......what an impact that made on the world.

 

[RiverCity]

yáll do realize, that with every post & thread, is an opportunity for them to comment?

and with their every post - is their advertisement....

(it's called "sales" - good publicity/bad publicity; still publicity.... and there is an IGNORE button)

Maybe I should be more active then..... I was thinking of taking applications for my own personal nuthuggers, but that would save from having to do so.... :thumbup:
Chuck