PFD Cues pricing....WTF???

Monstermash

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Hey all,

I have an observation I would like to share with you and I would like some feedback.

I have been spending a good deal of time recently looking for the right cue. By that I mean the one that I like the aesthetics of as well as the hit/playability. I had a cue for about a month the fit the playability requirement but I ended up selling it to a friend because he really wanted it and he needed a good cue as his game has been improving significantly lately and I didn't want him to be held back by the crappy POS he was playing with.

Anyway, as I have been looking at all the for sale threads here I have found quite a few cues that I have liked and quite a few that I didn't. What has me confused is the pricing on some of the offerings. I'm not going to single out any particular maker with the exception of Paul Drexler as his cues are the ones that have me the most confused.

The reason for my confusion is I just can't seem to figure out where the current pricing trend is coming from. Paul had been making cues for 20 years and in that time he has demonstrated his ability to make truely magnificent cues both in terms of playability and aesthetics and from what I've seen in the responses in these threads many people agree with me.
While browsing the ads here I found some of his cues have been offered for ridiculously low prices. Meanwhile there are makers that have been only building cues for a few years that are commanding much higher prices. Not for nothing and no offense intended, but many of these offerings I wouldn't pay half or even a third the asking price for. I mean really, $800, $900, $1000 and even upwards of $1600-$1800 for a PJ wrapless cue from makers who have only been making cues for less than 5-6 years? No way can you tell me that they are worth this much money.

To be more specific regarding Pauls cues, I would like to call attention to a few of his Titlist conversions that I have come across listed for sale. One example is the one Quality Cues has listed. It has been available for 3 months now and no one has purchased it and it's very reasonably priced at $1290 OBO with an Ivory joint. On the contrary, there was a Titlist made by another maker that sold for around $1800. It's not to say that I don't respect this maker because I do but there is no way he builds a better cue than Paul. Maybe he's on par with him but certainly not better IMHO.

Another thing that has me puzzled is the current wait time for a PFD cue. I ordered one recently and was shocked when Paul told me I would have it in only a few months. A FEW MONTHS????? Really? Only a few months for a PFD? How can that be when there are makers out there with 2,3, or even 4+ year waiting lists that don't make cues nearly as good in quality? Not to mention the cue I ordered had 4 IVORY points w/veneers with an elephant wrap and Ivory Hoppe ring and the cost was only $1500.

So whats the deal with PFD cues in the market right now? Why are they not commanding the pricing that is more in line with the quality of workmanship? Can someone please answer this for me?

Thanks,
'Mash
 
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I talked to Paul about him building a cue for me and his prices are incredible for the work he does...not to mention a very great guy to talk to. I don't have the reason why but it sure is nice to have a maker of that quality making affordable cues!!
 
How's this for an explanation? He actually gets his work done on time, and thus there is no artificial demand or hype for his cues.

Not trying to bash other makers here but the facts are the facts - we all know some high quality makers have had a noted tendency to fall behind.

I personally love his work and plan on owning a PFD some day.
 
Try pfdcue.com .

He is a One-person shop, with his wife Ellen doing inlay work. Both of them do great work.


While that may have been true in the past he now has a few "worker bees" helping him in the shop.

Paul is getting a little older now so it's getting harder and harder for him to spend the long hours in the shop. From my understanding, his helpers only do the menial work such as attaching forearms to handles etc. All the detail work such as point cutting and inlay work is still done by Paul and/or Ellen.

His website is www.pfdcue.com
 
I have no idea. Paul's cue ARE great. I will own more of them myself.

Paul does some of the best inlay work in the business, and the woods he has, NICE!!!!
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Its a crazy market out there, not unlike the stock market. Some ask more for some conversions because they have have more invested. In some cases they ask less because they need the money.

Who knows why but I think pricing has become more realistic, or come back in line from the previous overinflated prices because of supply and demand.

Some cues or conversions are slow to sell, not necessarily because of the maker. Rather how the original buyer requested certain colors and materials.

To me the PFD the O/P spoke of looks fine if you like Ivory spears at the points and wanted a linen wrap. I do not want spears at the point ends. I like the points left alone nor do I want a linen wrap.

There is a Gilbert conversion for 1100 it looks great except for the wrap color and the brown linen used under the joints. Sometimes I think the person/s that requested the build is color blind. LOL

I'm not here to condemn anyone's taste its their choice but some are more difficult to sell. IMO to get to far away from the old classic style Titlist limits buyers.

There are more conversions that have not sold. One built by Madison Bob to me is possibly the best looking one out there. I think in today's market even it is a bit over priced.

I'm not a cue collector although I own a few. When I buy looks are important but it has to meet certain specs. If not then I won't play with it, so there is no reason to buy.

We all have our reasons to buy or sell. However with all the cues to choose from I'm in no hurry. If the price is good and I can modify it to my specs without overspending today's value then I'm game.

In the for sale forum you read things like -- If I had the cash this cue would be mine. Well you don't, so either they like to hear their lips flap, they are a shill or just like attention. There are many more but the reason does not really matter. What matters to me is overpriced cues are starting to come back in line.

Rod
 
I just wanted to note that primary and secondary market pricing are two completely different things. He sets one, we set the other. Relative to the wait time, some cue makers work more and/or harder than others. I know one top tier CM who only works 4 short days per week. His wait time about 4 years. Generally speaking, only the top tier custom cue makers can afford to make cues full-time for a living. For the other 90%, it's a part-time job or just a hobby. As such, they can only spend so many hours a week on their hobby, and you get longer lead times the more of a back log in orders that they get.

I have often wondered why PFD's cues don't get more attention from AZ members. I enjoy playing with my Drexler ebony Titlist conversion, and also enjoy Paul's "out of the box" designs.
Mr H
 
Paul made me one of his first cues. I'd be lost without it.

Thanks Paul for such a great cue.

I highly recommend his product. Mine works.

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Alex Brick from Nashville makes some really nice, great playing cues for reasonable prices.
 
Paul's cues have been one of the very first that I have seen when I started getting into pool cues more.

My answer to the OP's question would be the following:
AZ forum is large enough to have it's own market, dominated by some people and also by a couple of cue dealers - who have their own sites.
This means that there are (because there HAVE TO BE) some cuemakers that are more preferred by them than others - and these dealers and people have their reasons for this, maybe they earn more money, they get better service (shorter waiting time, more exclusive / scarce items) and for this reason they have their own protege's.
This greatly affects market values, prices and demand - as us, buyers tend and want to buy those cues that are more 'desirable'.
Apparently Paul doesn't have anyone with enough 'hype-power' and followers to hype his cues up and beyond the sky and hence his prices remain low on the secondary market.

I, for one, have never read any horror stories regarding his cues, only very satisfied and pleased owners' reviews and hence I believe that for a comparably low price you can get a very decent cue that is - actually - up there, in par, with any other that you may want to name (constructionally that is). --> I mean that perhaps you won't find a better person to do scrimshaw on your cue than Bill Schick as well as it is Paul whom you should contact if you are seeking for that unique appearance that he offers - you may find the experts in every aspect of a pool cue but they (have to) offer the same perfect and sound cue when it comes to its construction. This makes a PFD cue a good long time investment - if you want to make some quick bucks here, on this board, you should look elsewhere though - IMO.
 
I respectfully retract my prior statements and publicly apologize for posting inaccurate information.
 
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The ones I see bring a nice price but maybe that's because I'm a broke old man. $1,000 for a pool cue is a lot of money to me, and especially to my wife.
 
Ask Mr. Drexler how many "titlist" conversions he made that included a blank that is not from anything Brunswick made, or even USA-made for that matter....

That will explain why his "titlist" conversions don't sell...

That and the uni-lock joint. Not exactly one of my favs!

Aside from that, his rounded point cues are pretty nice. :rolleyes:
 
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