LOL!! You gotta be kidding!!
Earl Shane II
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LOL!! You gotta be kidding!!
100 sets at 100 a piece That is $10k hmmm So if you think the rematch should be played. Just don't buy the dvd set until the second match is played. That is how the railbirds / forum members can show that they feel they are owed something as well. While I may take heat for posting this I would feel the same way no matter who was involved.
Truer words have never been spoken.
You mean that someone who is your friend in the pool world would speak ill of you? Or the person you are gambling against today, is your road partner tomorrow?
You mean that someone who is your friend in the pool world would speak ill of you? Or the person you are gambling against today, is your road partner tomorrow?
I hope you are treated with a little dignity in the future after posting up your hard-earned dough, so that the masses can be entertained. I'm sure there are some railbirds, like myself, who appreciate your efforts.
It leaves a sick feeling in one's stomach when you pour your heart and soul into an endeavor only to be kicked in the teeth down the road. Some folks in the pool world have selective memories.
When you're winning, everybody is your friend, as long as you offer an opportunity for others make money; thereafter, though, you end up the doormat and the butt of jokes, sometimes by the very ones you've helped in the past.
Bottom line -- and I'm sure you know this -- don't ever forget who you are. I wish you much future success and opportunities to capitalize on *your* assets.
It's uncanny how one day you are everybody's sweetheart, with them asking you for favors for FREE, and later on, these very folks have selective memories.
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Richie, believe me when I say there ain't much money involved in DVD sales for the players when the dust settles. It's not a big money-maker. You would think it would be, but it ain't. There is a lot of effort that goes into producing the DVDs, I guess, which is why it takes so long to get them ready for sale, and time is money, as they say.
In fact, IMHO, the whole concept of two players battling it out on a field of green for a pay-per-view venue is another red herring for some of the parties involved in this endeavor. Folks that aren't in the know may think the player who wins the 10 dimes has scored a big win, but most times, if not all, these players are staked, meaning they don't pocket all the cheese themselves.
Not so long ago, I was told that a backer would stake a player for 20 percent. In other words, the player would pocket 20 percent of the winnings, if they won, and the backer would pocket 80 percent. I don't know. Maybe this is a good deal for some, but it isn't a real attractive arrangement. Backers are taking a risk, I get that, but 20 percent for the player isn't a big payday in some instances.
So who gets rich on these endeavors? I'm not sure. Maybe there's too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, or maybe the technology to do one of these is still expensive, and there's not enough sales to make it cost effective. Everybody is in this to make a profit, right? To make a profit in pool is a very tough feat.
Just because people bark on a forum doesn't mean they owe the forum members anything. Now, if the fourm members want to post their money up and support the taping of the show or the expenses of the player or contribute to the purse, that's a different story altogether. :wink:
If they play again, are you interested in paying $100 for the DVD set?
If I were to do a poll on this forum, it would be interesting to see how many of the disgruntled posters on this thread are even interesting in paying a hundred bucks for the said DVD set.
Look, most folks just want to see good pool. That's a given. They are disappointed when things don't take place as planned. In pool, money is a big motivator to make things happen. The stakehorses, in essence, are the ones who can get an event to move forward, but most times they are required to post their money up front, ahead of time. And not everybody, even the stakehorses, can afford $10,000 every other month to take a chance on winning less than 50 percent on their investment.
DVDs aren't a money maker in the pool world. Heck, the American pool culture whines and moans about having to pay a $10 gate fee to see a pool tournament. What percentage of these same folks do you think are willing to fork out $100 for a DVD set? Therein lies the answer.
Shane was promised a match on a 9' table if he lost on the 10' table. Calls were made immediately after the match and Mike G. would never set anything up. Mike G. is only as good as his word and in this instance that isn't very good at all.
JAM it is amazing how much you can crap you can type without any knowledge on a subject.
Earl is a joke and horrible for the sport, he obviously has many mental problems and it is a shame that he doesn't seek help.
I am done with being involved with pool.
Good Luck!
JAM it is amazing how much you can crap you can type without any knowledge on a subject.
Earl is a joke and horrible for the sport, he obviously has many mental problems and it is a shame that he doesn't seek help.
I am done with being involved with pool.
Good Luck!
I'm sorry my words on this thread are "crap" to you. In essence, I was only trying to relay hypothetical situations about what transpires in events such as this.
I never once said I had personal knowledge of this event. If you interpreted it that way, then you are wrong.
FWIW, you aren't the only one who's been harmed by situations in pool -- VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
Well, to all of you that backed and defended earl to no end... bam
Earl my not be on my birthday cake list in recent times, but I don't think this latest turn of events is going to end his career.
I personally think Earl would benefit greatly by giving exhibitions around the country. In fact, if he got an agent to work on his behalf, putting him in good spots where he can shine the brighest, it would be a win-win for all involved.
He's still hitting 'em very good in tournaments today, and he'll be 50 years old next month, so that's pretty strong. But as most know, competing in tournaments is not a reliable form of income when you're on the road so much.
I'm not sure having pool players dance like monkeys for the masses is as beneficial as some would think. It's fun, it's cool, and it does bring pleasure to railbirds.
The above-referenced is my opinion, and I have no firsthand knowledge of the Earl vs. Shane matches, past and present. I am not related to nor interested in the outcome of any prospective match between the two of them.
John...with that being said...I don't blame you for having a bitter taste about the whole deal...Ya'll conceded to every demand/request from their side with ya'll only stipulation being if ya'll lose yall have a chance at a rematch on a 9 footer..As far as I'm concerned it was just a elaberate con on their part to get Shane way out his element...Now if it would have been like the James Toney/Randy Couture MMA match where Toney took the challenge thinking he could beat Randy no matter what ring they in..well that would be different...But ya'll went in with good faith thinking that with them making ya'll jump thru hoops with all their stipulations that at very least could put it to rest for good with rematch on 9 footer...They just told ya'll whatever they thought ya'll wanted to hear to try to steal something...Just of soon of shaved Earl's mustache...put a dress on him and called him Earline...My cousin that can't play too good but likes to gamble...Now if their side would have answered the phone even & stalled because of schedules it would be better than the not answer the phone or return call routine....It is what it is...and on this one they were good hustlers not good gamblers.
Thaanks mars,now that the main man behind the scene spoke up,what the truth was,now watch how some stories change!
I'm definitely not changing my story.
#ShotsFired
Mars seemed like he's wising up. Man with the money should be calling the shots not getting dictated to. I like Mars' post a whole lot, short to the point, and hits with a whole lot of impact.
Mars seemed like he's wising up. Man with the money should be calling the shots not getting dictated to. I like Mars' post a whole lot, short to the point, and hits with a whole lot of impact.
Earl was right about everything, unfortunately for some
I don't know about Gulyassy, but Earl's goal appears to have been to show that what he has been saying all along is correct, that on a ten footer with small pockets he would be vindicated as the best. If you were him you wouldn't go backwards in position either. Instinctively you KNOW this and that's why you are calling out Gulyassy instead of Earl. If you don't like Earl then go beat him to shut him up. If you can't, then look at yourself honestly as to how you measure up to him. If Earl wanted to be universally loved like Efren then he would have changed his behavior a long time ago. What he wants is to be right.
I wish a more sportsmanlike player would go beat him on the ten footer. But if Shane beat him again on a 9' it would just give Earl more ammo on his bullet points. Earl has been pretty cool and sportsmanlike since this win.... do you really want to give him reason to revert back? I don't. So give him credit ~ I do. It was a legitimate achievement.
I don't know about Gulyassy, but Earl's goal appears to have been to show that what he has been saying all along is correct, that on a ten footer with small pockets he would be vindicated as the best. If you were him you wouldn't go backwards in position either. Instinctively you KNOW this and that's why you are calling out Gulyassy instead of Earl. If you don't like Earl then go beat him to shut him up. If you can't, then look at yourself honestly as to how you measure up to him. If Earl wanted to be universally loved like Efren then he would have changed his behavior a long time ago. What he wants is to be right.
I wish a more sportsmanlike player would go beat him on the ten footer. But if Shane beat him again on a 9' it would just give Earl more ammo on his bullet points. Earl has been pretty cool and sportsmanlike since this win.... do you really want to give him reason to revert back? I don't. So give him credit ~ I do. It was a legitimate achievement.
All what you say has merit...only thing is it don't give anybody the right for a free pass.