My "conversation" with Marty Herman

The person who has a demonstrated track record of liberally giving out death threats and physical threats, if convicted, can escape legal ramifications by a mere mental insanity plea; whereas, the someone who is way tougher will most definitely do time in prison. Therein lies the difference. :embarrassed2:

Bipolar illness isn't considered "insanity." An insanity defense is defined as someone who doesn't know right from wrong or someone with psychosis that prevents them from understanding reality.

JAM, c'mon girl. You have zero proof this guy is bipolar, insane or a toughguy dickhead. The fact you're blindly (stress blindly) defending this guy is making me slackjaw my monitor. Unless you're picking up his prescriptions and/or sitting next to this guy in his psych assessments, you don't know anything other than what this guy writes.

I'm not trying to come down on you--- I'm just shocked you're taking the position you are. I can't stress "shocked" enough.
 
Bipolar illness isn't considered "insanity." An insanity defense is defined as someone who doesn't know right from wrong or someone with psychosis that prevents them from understanding reality.

JAM, c'mon girl. You have zero proof this guy is bipolar, insane or a toughguy dickhead. The fact you're blindly (stress blindly) defending this guy is making me slackjaw my monitor. Unless you're picking up his prescriptions and/or sitting next to this guy in his psych assessments, you don't know anything other than what this guy writes.

I'm not trying to come down on you--- I'm just shocked you're taking the position you are. I can't stress "shocked" enough.

Hmm, I'm not sure I follow the logic, but let me say this in an effort to provide some clarification on my thoughts. :p

I'm almost 60 years old. I consider myself a pretty good judge of character and human nature. I've worked in billiard parlors graveyard shift, and I've hobnobbed with Senators on Capitol Hill. It is my opinion, based on years of experience interacting with people from all walks of life, that this man needs prayers much more than anything else. In fact, many people today who suffer from emotional and/or mental disabilities often go undiagnosed.:sorry:

As far as a bipolar defense in legal proceedings, well, don't be so sure that being bipolar ain't used in courtrooms today to plead down charges, because it is used often by defense counsel in an effort to lessen the charge or, in some cases, allow the person to get off scot-free. :o

Loudmouths or bullies who threaten violence aren't the ones you have to watch out for; it's the silent one who never looks for trouble that is the most dangerous. ;)
 
Hmm, I'm not sure I follow the logic, but let me say this in an effort to provide some clarification on my thoughts. :p

I'm almost 60 years old. I consider myself a pretty good judge of character and human nature. I've worked in billiard parlors graveyard shift, and I've hobnobbed with Senators on Capitol Hill. It is my opinion, based on years of experience interacting with people from all walks of life, that this man needs prayers much more than anything else. In fact, many people today who suffer from emotional and/or mental disabilities often go undiagnosed.:sorry:

As far as a bipolar defense in legal proceedings, well, don't be so sure that being bipolar ain't used in courtrooms today to plead down charges, because it is used often by defense counsel in an effort to lessen the charge or, in some cases, allow the person to get off scot-free. :o

[Loudmouths or bullies who threaten violence aren't the ones you have to watch out for; it's the silent one who never looks for trouble that is the most dangerous.] ;)

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Hmm, I'm not sure I follow the logic, but let me say this in an effort to provide some clarification on my thoughts. :p

I'm almost 60 years old. I consider myself a pretty good judge of character and human nature. I've worked in billiard parlors graveyard shift, and I've hobnobbed with Senators on Capitol Hill. It is my opinion, based on years of experience interacting with people from all walks of life, that this man needs prayers much more than anything else. In fact, many people today who suffer from emotional and/or mental disabilities often go undiagnosed.:sorry:

As far as a bipolar defense in legal proceedings, well, don't be so sure that being bipolar ain't used in courtrooms today to plead down charges, because it is used often by defense counsel in an effort to lessen the charge or, in some cases, allow the person to get off scot-free. :o

Loudmouths or bullies who threaten violence aren't the ones you have to watch out for; it's the silent one who never looks for trouble that is the most dangerous. ;)

I'm not saying he doesn't need help... but I think (at least the way I read it) you were implying because he "might" be bipolar that he isn't accountable for his actions and needs medical help.

Sure, bipolar illness could be considered a mitigating factor during proceedings (as you pointed out); however, believe me---- if he followed through on his threats he'd be up for capital murder with zero chance for an "insanity plea." It'd be considered premeditated since he posted his thoughts in advance.

If that INSANE NUTBAG Jared Lee Loughner is having a tough time with his insanity defense (they're trying to feed him psychotropic meds to MAKE him sane to stand trial) --- trust that Marty would be facing the death penalty (hypothetically).

That's all I was trying to say--- Marty wouldn't be insane in a court of law. Does he need prayers and help? Sure-- why not. Make no mistake though--- if he ever tried to follow-up his threads and killed someone, he'd be a 5:1 favorite for the death penalty in the Action Room of AZB.
 
Loudmouths or bullies who threaten violence aren't the ones you have to watch out for; it's the silent one who never looks for trouble that is the most dangerous. ;)

I think history has more than a few examples where that is not the case at all. The ones people dismiss as "Oh he just talks...he's harmless" have done their fair share of damage over the years.

This reminds me of a great song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJefPK_UkdM
 
Type "MH" Personality

Maaaahty really is a sweetheart. I picture him getting all apoplectic in front of his computer and it cracks me up. Thing is Marty seems like the kind of shit house rat crazy that could actually be dangerous in the right setting. You know the knock in you the back of the head when you are not looking type or worse if he was all worked up and the situation presented itself where he thought he could get away with it.

When I worked bars I always paid close attention to guys like that. The best thing is when one crazy guy would make the mistake of going all Marty on someone he didnt know who turned out to be even crazier than he was. Those usually ended with cops and medics. Fun to watch though.

Can't wait to see how this whole Marty thing ends.



That's pretty damn funny!

Years ago I was a cook at a bar and a customer burst into the kitchen and went all Marty on me, screaming the chicken wings taste like sh*t and this and that. I calmly said I'm sorry you don't like the wings then I told him to have a nice day when he was done screaming. He immediately knew I wasn't going to play his game. He just wanted someone to fight with about anything but it wasn't going to be me so he left.

Seems some people just like to argue and fight and are unreasonably angry. It's easier to understand and excuse as a possible medical problem but anger and poor social skills are a part of human nature, always have been.
I've never met MH. I've only read the scraps of sentences and jumbled paragraphs he has left around.

If there indeed is a medical problem then it is certainly sad and I hope he gets help. If not then he's just an A-hole with A-hole tendancies.






All my opinion-

Rick
 
I believe Marty Herman may suffer from a medical problem, and I do not believe he understands thoroughly how his actions may affect others. It is a shame that his words are abrasive, as it does nothing to promote his cause, whatever that cause may be.

I have a niece that is bipolar. She is fine as long as she takes her meds, but when she goes off her meds, she exhibits abnormal behavior, sometimes what I would term as "abrasive."

Threads like this, IMO, is like poking a stick at a rabid raccoon. The raccoon is sick and does not understand why everybody is poking a stick at him. The raccoon, as a self-defense mechanism, lashes out.

I hate seeing somebody that may suffer from a medical problem get poked at.

With all the swearing he does sounds like he has turrets.
 
Sure, bipolar illness could be considered a mitigating factor during proceedings (as you pointed out); however, believe me---- if he followed through on his threats he'd be up for capital murder with zero chance for an "insanity plea." It'd be considered premeditated since he posted his thoughts in advance....

When it comes to a legal defense, it all depends how much money you have. There's quite a few legal eagles who can make silk purse out of a sow's ear when it comes to getting their clients off. Look at O.J., Casey, et cetera. I rest my case [pun intended]. ;)

If you want to get down to it, medically speaking, "bipolar" is only a label that medical professionals use today when they cannot come with a straightforward diagnosis; in essence, it's an undefined category. :p

If you do not recognize that this man is not well, then I have nothing more to say. I stand by my original thought that he needs prayers much more than violence.

In the end, we are all members, including Marty Herman, of God's human family.
 
Oh, jeez. I woke up with a threatening email from Marty. He says if we don't stop 'strifing' that he will tell the world the 'truth' about Mike and I. Damn. That's scary. He might have to tell you guys that I have been married to the same great (and very patient) gal for 45 years. He might have to tell you that AZBilliards serves the industry and handles things like the pro ranking system and the points list, all for free. He might have to tell you all that Mike and I got Pat Fleming to come stream the Turning Stone events so that you can all have a high-quality stream to watch even though it costs us over $4,000 per trip to do so. Yep, we're pretty bad guys, all right.

JB, Marty admits that he is 'propoolplayer' on all of the streams, so connecting these dots is pretty easy. He talked about this just the other day and it is a saved tape.

Look, I am fine with Marty when he keeps his mouth shut. I hope he enjoys doing his 'show' and if his 'pro pool league' succeeds, well, great. Good for the game. But he has been threatening Mike and I for years with death and it is getting old. On his show he says that Mike and I are cancers and we need to be eliminated. He even said we have to die for him to succeed and he pretty much begs his viewers to please take us out. So, JAM, I don't really care about how sick he is. Sick, misguided folks like this do a great deal of harm. However, if he will leave us alone and have no contact with us and stop all the crap that he is constantly stirring then we will never mention him again.

But if he wants to argue with folks who buy their ink by the barrel so to speak, well, that is his error. His constant lies are so absurd. He tells folks that we are paid $2,000 and expenses to go to do the live scoring at events. Marty, that is a stone cold stupid lie.

Have a nice day!

Why not turn it around? There are laws now against cyber stalking and terror threats? Call the FBI and let them handle it. Hell someone threatened to turn me into homeland security for saying I would kick them in the nuts given the chance. So all these threats of shooting people should be enough to let the police handle it.
 
Wow! How disturbing is that? For me, it's like deja vu all over again.

Some of the older posters might remember another kook that could have been sipping from the same bottle of insanity as MAaaaty. This guy would post volumes of nonsensical rambling (he didn't need punctuation and paragraphs either) and be just as out of touch with reality as this nutjob.

I really don't want to give that other guy too much press, but his initials were F A S T L A R R Y.


Eric >E R I C

Just got this gem from Maaaaahty on Facebook:

"Your officially blocked from my fb page if u attempt any more threats to my program on ustreamor Fb I'll contact Fb legal team as well as police record as your post on azb sounds like u want physical threats to others is ok?stay away from my show and fb page officially ending all contact with your gang of thugs this will be a second time I've had to issue a police record from threats of violence from u I'd be very carefull at valley forge if u see me as I'll be reporting to police your thread on azb and how you wanna see me hurt physically being over 60 this threat is a felony be smart and go away Justin or will issue a police report let it go is my suggestion or be prosecuted for simple assult on site your bullying ways are over unless u wanna continue and settle this in a court of law.forget u ever heard my name get a life cause your bothering mine."

That's verbatim as typed in Maaaaahty's particular WALL-O-TEXT style.

Seems this was a reaction to a comment I posted on his FB page after I accepted a friend request FROM HIM. He posted some rant about CSI screwing the players in Reno on the money and I simply mentioned that if CSI made so much damn money at the thing how come they only do one a year? Seems to me if you can add $25K guaranteed and make it all back plus a profit you would do at least five or six a year right? Hell maybe one a month.

Bet that really spun his head around thinking about that one.

Alas....I now have one less friend in the world.
 
Why not turn it around? There are laws now against cyber stalking and terror threats? Call the FBI and let them handle it. Hell someone threatened to turn me into homeland security for saying I would kick them in the nuts given the chance. So all these threats of shooting people should be enough to let the police handle it.

Marty has an in with Eddie Wheat's girlfriend at the FBI so that won't work.

BOOM...necropost crossthread triple bonus there folks.
 
When it comes to a legal defense, it all depends how much money you have. There's quite a few legal eagles who can make silk purse out of a sow's ear when it comes to getting their clients off. Look at O.J., Casey, et cetera. I rest my case [pun intended]. ;)

If you want to get down to it, medically speaking, "bipolar" is only a label that medical professionals use today when they cannot come with a straightforward diagnosis; in essence, it's an undefined category. :p

If you do not recognize that this man is not well, then I have nothing more to say. I stand by my original thought that he needs prayers much more than violence.

In the end, we are all members, including Marty Herman, of God's human family.
I think we're saying the same thing. The only difference is I'm saying he's accountable/responsible for his actions (bipolar or not).

:)
 
I think we're saying the same thing. The only difference is I'm saying he's accountable/responsible for his actions (bipolar or not).

:)

And I'm saying I'm not so sure.

I knew a very strong one-hole phenom who was schizophrenic. He heard voices, the whole 9 yards, when he was off his meds. The meds were expensive, and sometimes he couldn't afford to get them. I saw him switch on and off in person. I feared for my life on a few occasions when he was in the devil mode. Competent legal counsel would have gotten him sentenced to a mental hospital, not a prison, if he had committed violence of any sort.

Here's a case I have a little familiarity with when a psychiatric defense theory was used:

Ruthann Aron was arrested in June 1997 for trying to hire a hitman (an undercover police officer) to murder both her husband and Kahn.

She was ousted from the Planning Board in August 1997. At the time of her arrest, she was planning to run, as a Democrat, for an at-large seat on the Montgomery County Council.

In her first trial, she used nine psychiatrists/psychologists to argue that a brain injury and her childhood abuse had rendered her incapable of realizing that what she was doing was illegal. One juror held out on her behalf, and a mistrial was declared.

In July 1998, Aron pleaded no contest, and in November 1998 she was sentenced to two consecutive 18-month prison sentences. She was released in 2001 and moved to New York to be closer to her son, Joshua.



Then, of course, you have the case of John Hinkley, who's still locked up in St. Elizabeth's Hospital for his assassination attempt on President Reagan.

There is a fine line whether someone is accountable or not for their actions if they suffer from emotional and/or mental disabilities, and who determines that fine line is a judge, jury, and expensive legal counsel. ;)
 
I feel sorry for him. If anything, he needs prayers, not a punch in the mouth.

Probably needs both.

People like this will push others away, so instead of getting what they need, he will more than likely just die a lonely death.
 
I know you've seen this behavior up front and close, and I agree with you, but do you think this behavior is normal? I think the more attention that is given to him, the louder he is going to be.

The best approach is ignore, plonk, whatever term you want to use.

Violence isn't the answer with somebody who exhibits this kind of behavior. I know for some, violence is the knee-jerk reaction when they get angry, as if it solves all evils, but in this case, it is important to recognize that there is something sad going on with this man. I feel sorry for him. If anything, he needs prayers, not a punch in the mouth.

It all depends on the type of attention, and what is perceived as normal is all "relative."

In a nutshell, Marty goes off for 1 reason and 1 reason only. When his ego gets damaged.
Whether he is losing in a match or someone calls him on or questions any of the grandiose things that he claims or says anything negative about him, his ego can't handle it, and he cracks.

The man is straight up delusional. He has pipe dreams about where he falls in the pecking order of professional pool in all it's different facets. (player, teacher, creative ideas/producer, cue broker etc)

But really, if you've been around pool long enough, we've all seen these types at one time or another.

You know, the ones who stink, who desperately want to be recognized as a better player, or guys who legitimately play good, who want to be recognized as top shelf, all of which, "pad their resume" (high runs, victories, name dropping, etc) in an attempt to make them look better or more esteemed then they really are.

Every single pool room has handfuls of these types in some way shape or form, who are the butt end of jokes, and roll-eyes heads shaking when they make their claims. So when you think about it, pipe dreaming pool players are kind of "normal" in pool. They have their respective place in the grand scheme of things.

But Marty is in a class by himself when it comes to this stuff.
And unlike most others, i really think he truly believes some of the claims that he makes, and that he is the only brain capable of thinking, on earth.

Guaranteed, you will never see Marty Herman go ballistic while someone is telling him how great he is at pool, what a great pool instructor he is, and how much they love the Southwest that he sold them, basically, blowing sunshine up his ass about everything he does. He actually calms down when that happens.
That should tell you something right there.

I am of the opinion that he is too absorbed/caught up in his pipe dream ego fantasies, and that's definitely not normal.

The boy is whacked.
 
I don't know any of the people involved in this ,,other than from what I have read or seen on here.

But this guy is obviously coming here and reading these post,,and it's upsetting him. Im not defending him.

But if he knows anyone's address or even if there is a way he could get it. I would be worried. Seriously!!!

Seems this same thing,(,same guy,,),was having the same problem a year ago,or so. Threatening people.
But I think this is the worst it has ever been.

Just saying ,,for them who are in his area ,,and if he could possibly find you,,,,be cautious.

I think he is about to go overboard!!!
 
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