Pro Pool players courting disaster

[Island Drive]

Professionals/Huh?

It appears that the game of Bonus Ball was newly created by professionals in the hope that the general public will support it. This is not typically how supply and demand works in the marketplace.

You can root for Bonus Ball but since it is a unproven product with a unproven market, there is no basis for expecting that it will succeed even with exposure on tv. The "Build it and they will come" business model only worked in the "Field of Dreams" movie and in strip clubs. :wink:

What does ''newly created'' by professionals mean, better yet. What your definition of professionals? Pro business men, bankers, pro pool players, pro???? :scratchhead:

Thx

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

What does ''newly created'' by professionals mean, better yet. What your definition of professionals? Pro business men, bankers, pro pool players, pro???? :scratchhead:

Thx

My point of reference for my comments was from the following October 2012 interview with Johnny Archer:
http://www.johnny101.com/post/2012/10/04/Bonus-Ball-Is-Finally-Here!.aspx

It seems that Bonus Ball has finally made its way out of the ether and into reality!

I remember a few years ago first hearing about this new game being developed with Johnny Archer and a few others as the driving forces behind it. The goal was to give professional pool a makeover and transform it into a marketable product while also inventing a game that the general public can support. During one early interview with "The Scorpion", I recall part of his argument: (paraphrased from memory) "Every other organized sport in the world has teams, uniforms, arenas and a scoreboard, but not pool. If we want to market pool to the world we need to integrate these things."

The game itself is completely new and it integrates elements of all other games. Believe it or not, there's 9-ball (the rack shape and order of balls pocketed), snooker (the points by color and balls spotted after a make), one pocket (limited pocket choices by team) and even straight pool (the continuous rack/break shot)! You can read more about the game and the future in the official press release.
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By professionals, I'm referring to pro pool players. The game of BB appears to be about 3 years old and attempts to incorporate features from snooker, 9-ball, one pocket and straight pool.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Not Likely

Poker pays millions in prize money. Pool you can't win sh.t . This is going to change !

Gary.. It may change. But I bet it will not be for the better. Seems that you Pro Players just cant get it together.

Last year I went to Vegas with the intentions of just watching the US Open One Pocket Championships.

After a few days I found myself wandering over to the BCA Nationals side and actually watched more of their play then the PRO's.

While watching the PRO's play I saw some exceptional play from a few of the PRO's. Most of the time there were maybe 20-30 people watching.

On the BCA side I was able to watch all levels of play. But I had more fun watching the BCA players because they seemed to really enjoy themselves.
The room was full of players/spectators.

Amatuers have Huge events (BCA,APL,Etc) where almost everyone who attends will not even make expenses.

But they keep coming back to play in those events.

Why do you suppose that is the case?

Could the PRO's actually learn something from the Amatuers?

Don

 

[watchez]

Just fyi, Fox is creating a competitor to ESPN. Supposed to be up and running in August if I remember correctly. They will struggle early as ESPN owns many contracts for some sports. But maybe pool can get in with them to start.

They are not going to struggle - they already have contracts in place with many major sports.

If you are going to post something - make sure it is accurate.

 

[Johnnyt]

They are not going to struggle - they already have contracts in place with many major sports.

If you are going to post something - make sure it is accurate.

Does it start in August? Johnnyt

 

[watchez]

If one hundred players came here and said "I want there to be more money in pool." what would it mean?

I was with a friend on Monday that owns a restaurant. He was telling me about how one of his kitchen employers came to him saying he wanted more money. He told his eimployee that it sounds like it is time for you to get a second job if you want more money. The employee's response - My momma told me that a real man doesn't work two jobs. Seems like lots of people must have the same momma.

 

[watchez]

Does it start in August? Johnnyt

August 17th - they already have Nascar, UFC, college basketball, college football, soccer and in 2014 baseball kicks in.

They are going to start off with about 5,000 hours of live TV a year -- I'll do the math for those that struggle with that, about 14 hours a day.

 

[cleary]

The amount of time you spend in burger king, thought you worked there.....

Dang, what a zinger! Did that come from your "Secret Art of Bad Jokes" DVD? Did you make up quotes from comedians for the back cover for that one too?

 

[Johnnyt]

August 17th - they already have Nascar, UFC, college basketball, college football, soccer and in 2014 baseball kicks in.

They are going to start off with about 5,000 hours of live TV a year -- I'll do the math for those that struggle with that, about 14 hours a day.

Cool. Thanks. Johnnyt

 

[Poolshootindon]

Yes we do!

The only thing that sucks is the computer-sniping monkey sucker-punchers who know they can hit as hard as they want and enjoy the luxury of hiding behind their screen name.

If that's what this "pool forum" is for, a vehicle to hit and run, then I guess it does serve a purpose.

Most pro pool players I know *do* hit thousands of balls every single day when they are on the tournament trail. If they don't hit balls, they can't win. Goodness gracious, this is a given.

I am sickened by the derogatory words written on this thread about pro players while everybody defends the industry members, throwing pro pool players under the bus while doing so. What's that all about!?

I have read this thread for several days now, not posting, and I just had to insert my voice. I may stand in the minority, but I'm taking a stand against the computer-sniping monkey sucker-punchers on this thread. You know who you are. :angry:

Jam.. Yes we do.. 23473 posts. Aw but who's counting.

And I bet in your mind everyone of them is spot on.

Don :thumbup:

 

[Diamond69]

They are not going to struggle - they already have contracts in place with many major sports.

If you are going to post something - make sure it is accurate.

If they are only going to have 14 hours of programming per day, that is struggling in my opinion. I don't feel I posted any factual statements or inaccuracies in my post.

 

[watchez]

If they are only going to have 14 hours of programming per day, that is struggling in my opinion. I don't feel I posted any factual statements or inaccuracies in my post.

LIVE programming. You need to take a comprehension class. How many hours of LIVE programming do you think ESPN has a day?

 

[Neil]

Gary.. It may change. But I bet it will not be for the better. Seems that you Pro Players just cant get it together.

Last year I went to Vegas with the intentions of just watching the US Open One Pocket Championships.

After a few days I found myself wandering over to the BCA Nationals side and actually watched more of their play then the PRO's.

While watching the PRO's play I saw some exceptional play from a few of the PRO's. Most of the time there were maybe 20-30 people watching.

On the BCA side I was able to watch all levels of play. But I had more fun watching the BCA players because they seemed to really enjoy themselves.
The room was full of players/spectators.

Amatuers have Huge events (BCA,APL,Etc) where almost everyone who attends will not even make expenses.

But they keep coming back to play in those events.

Why do you suppose that is the case?

Could the PRO's actually learn something from the Amatuers?

Don

And, therein lies the "catch 22" of pool. To play at the highest levels requires a lot of concentration. Only a few like Keith or Mike could talk and play great. That makes it look like watching a chess match. Amateurs don't concentrate near as much, and have more fun with it.

 

[Black-Balled]

FALSE ...Also, let me know what channel you find the Tour De France on this year. ...

Eurosport all day everyday....

You make me one sad. TdF is possibly the greatest sporting pursuit in the World. It is like game 7 for the last 2 of 3 weeks.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xDOZZsTUz0mOhzGpjAu2JXg&bvm=bv.47008514,d.dmQ
beIN Sport is a new channel to FIOS and it had the Tour of Italy on for the past few weeks. Verison got me for another $10/ month. That channel is HD and the pics are awesome.

 

[JAM]

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Jam.. Yes we do.. 23473 posts. Aw but who's counting.

And I bet in your mind everyone of them is spot on.

At least they're all mine. I own every single one of them, and, oh, by the way, I don't post under multiple member names.

 

[Fatboy]

And, therein lies the "catch 22" of pool. To play at the highest levels requires a lot of concentration. Only a few like Keith or Mike could talk and play great. That makes it look like watching a chess match. Amateurs don't concentrate near as much, and have more fun with it.

but watching bangers dont sell either. What does sell is watching the girls, how good did that work?

the root of the problem is ESPN its a monopoly and has horrible shows anyways, highlight reels is all it is and 26 minutes of adverts every hour, its the absolute worst channel i know of, i aint watched it in 20 years,

 

[Fatboy]

Just fyi, Fox is creating a competitor to ESPN. Supposed to be up and running in August if I remember correctly. They will struggle early as ESPN owns many contracts for some sports. But maybe pool can get in with them to start.

your rite, i didnt mention them because it sucks also and is in regional markets with infomercials running all night.


I think pool needs Howard Stern, lets throw him $20,000,000 and get him talking about how great pool is, perhaps then something will happen<------desperate times call for desperate measures

 

[1 Lone Wolf]

Maybe

Gary.. It may change. But I bet it will not be for the better. Seems that you Pro Players just cant get it together.

Last year I went to Vegas with the intentions of just watching the US Open One Pocket Championships.

After a few days I found myself wandering over to the BCA Nationals side and actually watched more of their play then the PRO's.

While watching the PRO's play I saw some exceptional play from a few of the PRO's. Most of the time there were maybe 20-30 people watching.

On the BCA side I was able to watch all levels of play. But I had more fun watching the BCA players because they seemed to really enjoy themselves.
The room was full of players/spectators.

Amatuers have Huge events (BCA,APL,Etc) where almost everyone who attends will not even make expenses.

But they keep coming back to play in those events.

Why do you suppose that is the case?

Could the PRO's actually learn something from the Amatuers?

Don

Don, I totally agree, And I think one of the key reasons why is team play. I think the success of amateur play is the team format. I think that team play will spark the interest of the league player.

Which in my opinion in the U.S. that is the main target. They understand team commrodory, Their emotions show, They take league night almost to serious. And most of all , They have fun. This is why I think the shirt's are cool. This will lead to new league ideas about design's for shirts also.

All I am is a player that welcomes change, If nothing else it is starting to get a buzz started. I think if a team has a weak link, That doesn't pull their weight. They will be replaced by their captain. No competitive league team likes to lose. And I promise you neither do the Pro's.

Back to the shirt design. I disagree in the U.S. that dress clothes and vests will do anything other than turn off the league player. I sure would rather wear nice casual slacks, A light weight golf style shirt. Than a long sleeve shirt , dress slacks and a vest.

This is not comfortable to play in. However when the viewers learn who these individual players are. Maybe in a Television singles event, This dress attire may be a good thing. Right now letting the amateurs see team play at this level may inspire them to tune in. This initial base of viewers, they talk to their friends. Who know's, Just saying.
Lets give this opportunity a chance. I have alway' been optimistic !!!!!!

 

[iusedtoberich]

Well the first match is tomorrow night and free. Is everyone in this thread going to watch?

 

[Diamond69]

LIVE programming. You need to take a comprehension class. How many hours of LIVE programming do you think ESPN has a day?

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I only spend time on comprehension for things that matter to me, and your post didn't fit that criteria. I was only adding a quick post to people saying ESPN was the only game in town that another option is on its way.

I will say I do love this comment on accuracy though. Because as we all know, you can't post it on the internet if it isn't true!

If you are going to post something - make sure it is accurate.