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Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong
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Nothing wrong with that at all. I do it all the time for my boyfriend when he posts on this forum. You've got yourself a good girlfriend. :wink:
Darren,
Thank you for sticking around and socializing with us fans. We appreciate it! I met you in Manila with my pops back in 2007! We were the only African Americans in the joint and your crew from europe.
anyway, I wanted you to know i loved when you beat hatch! I loved your match with sylver ochoa and your match with Jesse Bowman. Both one pocket. Your one pocket is top notch!
Brandon shuff is my homeboy and thanks for selecting him on your team.
The aces have my support and bonus ball too!
Please remembered the azb family is concerned about the players and don't want any thing bad happening that threatens the sport.
Kd
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Thank you for sticking around and socializing with us fans. We appreciate it! I met you in Manila with my pops back in 2007! We were the only African Americans in the joint and your crew from europe.
anyway, I wanted you to know i loved when you beat hatch! I loved your match with sylver ochoa and your match with Jesse Bowman. Both one pocket. Your one pocket is top notch!
Brandon shuff is my homeboy and thanks for selecting him on your team.
The aces have my support and bonus ball too!
Please remembered the azb family is concerned about the players and don't want any thing bad happening that threatens the sport.
Kd
Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk 2
Logic
Let me see if I understand your argument right:
1. The state of pool has been and would continue to be dismal without bonus ball.
2. Bonus Ball is the best thing you've seen yet
3. Therefore, Bonus Ball will succeed.
Let me see if I understand your argument right:
1. The state of pool has been and would continue to be dismal without bonus ball.
2. Bonus Ball is the best thing you've seen yet
3. Therefore, Bonus Ball will succeed.
Chest bump
I couldn't fail to disagree with you less!
Let me think about it, triple negatives always give me trouble.
I couldn't fail to disagree with you less!
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The state of pool has gone nowhere in a lot of years, It is the best opportunity I have seen, Players are getting paid, It is something new. I don't know if BB is the answer, it is the brightest star I have seen, and I have seen. I don't know if it will succeed, but I sure am rooting for and not agains't. Now explain what is wrong with that ?
The state of pool has gone nowhere in a lot of years, It is the best opportunity I have seen, Players are getting paid, It is something new. I don't know if BB is the answer, it is the brightest star I have seen, and I have seen. I don't know if it will succeed, but I sure am rooting for and not agains't. Now explain what is wrong with that ?
I agree. All the people working to keep pool alive before BB came along should take two weeks off and quit. I mean they havent done anything except keep a game alive that no one wants to watch.
Why dont pool players just ditch promoters all together? I'm serious here. If promoters do such a shitty job why dont players just go get a truck, put some tables in it and then go around playing events on the weekends. They can play for all the money they draw on the gate and on sponsorships. Make all their own rules. Seed how they want. Control everything. Do it right.
Why doesnt that happen? Why rely on others to do all the work of organizing events then b!tch at them when they are not big enough ?
Yes, JCIN, I went "off the air completely" creating this thread in an effort to initiate a dialogue or convey a concern, which was to bring attention to the scheduling conflict as well as lack of player alliegiance, loyalty, whatever word you want to choose. Not sure why I even bothered to do so, now after the fact, but that's water under the bridge because here we are writing in this thread.
At this juncture, truth be told, I wish I had never created the thread, but I did it because, believe it or not, I did care about precisely what you have written.
It is quite sad that some don't seem to value the very people who have hung in there throughout the years, e.g., supporting the players, promoting events, and keeping whatever little movement there is going. It's okay to welcome new ventures, just not okay to forget the old ones.
C'est la vie. I will live vicariously through the movers and shakers of pool, of which I am not and never will be.
Yes, JCIN, I went "off the air completely" creating this thread in an effort to initiate a dialogue or convey a concern, which was to bring attention to the scheduling conflict as well as lack of player alliegiance, loyalty, whatever word you want to choose. Not sure why I even bothered to do so, now after the fact, but that's water under the bridge because here we are writing in this thread.
At this juncture, truth be told, I wish I had never created the thread, but I did it because, believe it or not, I did care about precisely what you have written.
It is quite sad that some don't seem to value the very people who have hung in there throughout the years, e.g., supporting the players, promoting events, and keeping whatever little movement there is going. It's okay to welcome new ventures, just not okay to forget the old ones.
C'est la vie. I will live vicariously through the movers and shakers of pool, of which I am not and never will be.
I was right there with you for a second JAM and then you went all USA USA and started internet slap fighting with your boo MikeyFrost and others which just drowned out the very valid point I think you were trying to make originally.
It was good for ten pages of drama of though and lets be honest.....thats really all that matters here anyway.
Wait !
JCIN, you know who I am. I have and will continue to support all of the events I can play in. I would be in Tunica if it wasn't for a injury that happened 1 year ago. You know I support DCC several of the last few years, and a whole lot of other events.
I am stating that the pool player can not earn a decent living in the US.
I have never said Mark, Greg , Yourself don't work hard to promote pool, and have for years. I have said Good Luck to all of you in all of you future endeavors. Can the Pro Players make a decent living playing pool ? And I don't mean just the top 12 ?
I would welcome any possibilitiy of attracting corporate sponsorship, New viewers, And most of all. Being able to go to tournaments and finish in the top 32 or 64 and be able to make money. I have been doing this shit a long time. I am Pro anything that comes along and changes the future of pool for all of the current and future players. I know you don't think BB is the answer, Because they haven't told their plan. I don't like that their scheduling fell over Tunica. I do know about the business of pool and promoting pool.
I hope in the future things all work out. Good Luck with TAR and I hope Tunica is a huge success.
Gary
JCIN, you know who I am. I have and will continue to support all of the events I can play in. I would be in Tunica if it wasn't for a injury that happened 1 year ago. You know I support DCC several of the last few years, and a whole lot of other events.
I am stating that the pool player can not earn a decent living in the US.
I have never said Mark, Greg , Yourself don't work hard to promote pool, and have for years. I have said Good Luck to all of you in all of you future endeavors. Can the Pro Players make a decent living playing pool ? And I don't mean just the top 12 ?
I would welcome any possibilitiy of attracting corporate sponsorship, New viewers, And most of all. Being able to go to tournaments and finish in the top 32 or 64 and be able to make money. I have been doing this shit a long time. I am Pro anything that comes along and changes the future of pool for all of the current and future players. I know you don't think BB is the answer, Because they haven't told their plan. I don't like that their scheduling fell over Tunica. I do know about the business of pool and promoting pool.
I hope in the future things all work out. Good Luck with TAR and I hope Tunica is a huge success.
Gary
That's the plan Justin. They have the Legal Representation and the Marketing PowerPoint, they just need an not-for-profit Angel Sponsor.
Gary my point is this. Very few people are willing to pay for the product of pro pool. That is a simple fact. Very few sports I know of pay the guy who finishes 64th a living wage. Just forget the NFL, NBA and PGA. Start thinking bowling and darts.
Before anyone gets paid anything the game has to have people wanting to pay for it if its going to last. Just throwing money at something is only good until the money runs out.
If people will not be happy with pool until the number 64 guy can make a living playing then I am going out on a limb and saying no one will ever be happy with pool.
Vision
JCIN, I know what you are saying, But I am open minded for a chance at something new. My view is until something new takes place. It will never happen.
Nothing wrong with dreaming, Some have said dreams can come true. Good Luck in Tunica. I hope I am ready to play in time for DCC. Gary
JCIN, I know what you are saying, But I am open minded for a chance at something new. My view is until something new takes place. It will never happen.
Nothing wrong with dreaming, Some have said dreams can come true. Good Luck in Tunica. I hope I am ready to play in time for DCC. Gary
BB should rent a room at Tunica, set up a table and have their players give exhibitions on it.
Please stop making sense!
Yes it makes perfect sense to accommodate another competing businessman in the industry costing you thousands of dollars in the process along with the players who would rather have a paycheck for that week not being paid either. People do it all the time in other industries so its a very logical thing to do.
Jay, Bonus Ball will not affect the turnouts like some of you are projecting so I am not sure why you and others are sweating it so hard, it looks really bad actually especially the arguments which make little sense. No one is going to cost themselves thousands of dollars to benefit another promoter and their business, because what would be the benefit to Bonus Ball by doing so?, good PR or something?
I would not have a problem with all the pissing and moaning on here if it was after the tournament and there was a poor turnout but that has not happened yet and most likely will not. So all of this bashing is really in poor taste and not yet truly warranted. I personally messaged the players who are off that week for my buddy Chris from California Billiard Club and his big upcoming tournament, I believe he will have a better pro turnout then last year as will the BCA events. As for Tunica that event is still an infant compared to Derby so who knows how that will go or what to expect but I wish it well.
Bonus Ball has accommodated the players greatly by allowing them to have a choice to play in what they like and if they pass up going to an event then what does that tell you about the event for that player? Obviously financially it is a poor choice for them and others will be going because they want to gamble and take a shot at the pay off and feel they can win, the others will take the sure money. For the players or pawns as you called them, I believe they are thrilled to have a choice even if the promoters and those attached to them are unhappy about it and would rather be the only game in town.
Darren Appleton who is a well respected player at the top of his game came on here and spoke and if you think his opinion is the minority then you are not in the know or maybe you really do know this. Most of the players I have spoke to feel much the same about it. They really believe in it and want it to work, they want change in the industry. Are they apprehensive, sure they are because of the years of BS in the past they have been subjected to in this industry. If this does not work out I feel bad for the players period and hope that those of you in the old guard can figure it out since you all know what will apparently.
I would like to start hearing solutions on how to hand pro players a legit paycheck outside of what Bonus Ball is doing currently because the tournament trail for the past 30 years is just another form of gambling. People wonder why pool players go and play poker tournaments because there is more money, less expenses, less skill factor and so on, but what is the same is you pay an entry fee and gamble on getting some good rolls and winning getting odds on the money. Ten guys win cash and a hundred losers get to tell their bad beat story at the end of it all so its not the best way to make a living.
You can say my opinion is biased or whatever but I can say the same about you and other posters on here who are making money with the promoters and events they are defending. One thing that is different is I will not bash those events I have enjoyed and do appreciate they have put money in the players pockets for years but does it really work for all involved, not really.
I have no problem though being straightforward about it and my position, I honestly feel its best for the players and so do most of them. I also love all the old events and the great pool we have been lucky to see. Those events will continue on even if Bonus Ball takes off because there are plenty of players not playing Bonus Ball and plenty who have the week off to play events or can choose to take off.
Yes it makes perfect sense to accommodate another competing businessman in the industry costing you thousands of dollars in the process along with the players who would rather have a paycheck for that week not being paid either. People do it all the time in other industries so its a very logical thing to do.
Jay, Bonus Ball will not affect the turnouts like some of you are projecting so I am not sure why you and others are sweating it so hard, it looks really bad actually especially the arguments which make little sense. No one is going to cost themselves thousands of dollars to benefit another promoter and their business, because what would be the benefit to Bonus Ball by doing so?, good PR or something?
I would not have a problem with all the pissing and moaning on here if it was after the tournament and there was a poor turnout but that has not happened yet and most likely will not. So all of this bashing is really in poor taste and not yet truly warranted. I personally messaged the players who are off that week for my buddy Chris from California Billiard Club and his big upcoming tournament, I believe he will have a better pro turnout then last year as will the BCA events. As for Tunica that event is still an infant compared to Derby so who knows how that will go or what to expect but I wish it well.
Bonus Ball has accommodated the players greatly by allowing them to have a choice to play in what they like and if they pass up going to an event then what does that tell you about the event for that player? Obviously financially it is a poor choice for them and others will be going because they want to gamble and take a shot at the pay off and feel they can win, the others will take the sure money. For the players or pawns as you called them, I believe they are thrilled to have a choice even if the promoters and those attached to them are unhappy about it and would rather be the only game in town.
Darren Appleton who is a well respected player at the top of his game came on here and spoke and if you think his opinion is the minority then you are not in the know or maybe you really do know this. Most of the players I have spoke to feel much the same about it. They really believe in it and want it to work, they want change in the industry. Are they apprehensive, sure they are because of the years of BS in the past they have been subjected to in this industry. If this does not work out I feel bad for the players period and hope that those of you in the old guard can figure it out since you all know what will apparently.
I would like to start hearing solutions on how to hand pro players a legit paycheck outside of what Bonus Ball is doing currently because the tournament trail for the past 30 years is just another form of gambling. People wonder why pool players go and play poker tournaments because there is more money, less expenses, less skill factor and so on, but what is the same is you pay an entry fee and gamble on getting some good rolls and winning getting odds on the money. Ten guys win cash and a hundred losers get to tell their bad beat story at the end of it all so its not the best way to make a living.
You can say my opinion is biased or whatever but I can say the same about you and other posters on here who are making money with the promoters and events they are defending. One thing that is different is I will not bash those events I have enjoyed and do appreciate they have put money in the players pockets for years but does it really work for all involved, not really.
I have no problem though being straightforward about it and my position, I honestly feel its best for the players and so do most of them. I also love all the old events and the great pool we have been lucky to see. Those events will continue on even if Bonus Ball takes off because there are plenty of players not playing Bonus Ball and plenty who have the week off to play events or can choose to take off.
Best post i read on these forums...
Until that mentality is gone nothing will ever change. No one hands anyone anything. When I pay guys they earned it. When I make money on something I earned it. Hopefully we all make money together.
To me thats actually the one bright shining light of the whole BB thing so far. The players are making a legit effort at getting behind something. Its easy to see they want things to change and are willing to take a risk to do it. Thats what is needed. The players should be proud of their conduct so far. Even Earl. He's filling his roll to a T.
What is not needed is people putting forth the the idea that its others job to somehow find a way to pay these guys money. When there is more in it for people together than apart is when things happen. This the biggest thing BB has gotten right. Hopefully others in the industry see it.
I said hand and not handout, the players performing at a high level for fans while promoters make some money should warrant being handed a paycheck just like you or I would get for a job. The players come in for their matches on time and get a paycheck for it, they have to perform and are playing hard to win and the team dynamic is interesting because if you dog it then you have to fade your teammates and the cost it takes.
Granted some are taking it more serious then others and those who do not and perform poorly will end up replaced when they have the draft by players hungrier for the spot. People put out lots of ideas and we have seen some good ones on this forum and some really bad ones but one thing is for sure Bonus Ball believes action speaks louder then words which is what pool needs. I think Bonus Ball is a great game and maybe over time it will really grow, I am sure when 9 ball was introduced people scoffed at it too.
I cannot see why any real pool fan who is a supporter of the pro players would not be behind this, some I know are sentimental and old school which is fine but the need for change has been long overdue. We might not agree with everything that is being done, heck I do not agree with everything myself but I am just glad something new is happening.
I am curious if you really believe that Bonus Ball whether it succeeds or fails will really have an affect on the turnouts for other events now or in the future and explain how if you believe so. I could not blame a poor attendance for Tunica on Bonus Ball at all since its a new event which takes time to grow as Derby did. Imagine if there are more pro players turning out and not as many amateurs turning out for it as in last year, I doubt that would be the doing of Big Bad Bonus Ball.
Lenny I have stated numerous times I dont think BB is going to have much affect on anything for several reasons. What I do KNOW is that others feel differently. I also know almost all of this could of been avoided with some communication. The "He should of called me....no you should of called me." has been done to death already so at this point its useless to even talk about it.
One problem I do have is the constant refrain of "I cannot see why any real pool fan who is a supporter of the pro players would not be behind this,". All that does is create a us vs them mentality and its bullshit. I dont like the game. I think its boring, way too complex for the intended audience and makes the players look a bit silly in trying to dress them up like football/hockey/basketball players. Why would I cheerlead something that is not pool? All it has in common is the equipment. If all the top pool players decide to play BB thats fine. Best of luck to them. If its going to succeed or fail there is absolutely nothing I have to do with it. I like pool. Not purple and orange balls going in three pockets.
Plus I refuse to just blindly follow whoever throws the most money at someone this year. I'm in this for the duration and I will support people I think earn it and deserve it based on solid leadership and good character. To say someone is against the pros because they dislike BB pisses me off to no end. TAR has paid out about $40,000 this year to players. Go find ten more people who are against the players as much as I am and you will be on to something if BB doesnt work out.
There has been numerous falsehoods put out by the organization. This does not create a feeling of trust towards it from me. If the organization puts out bullshit numbers it either means they don't know what they are doing or they are lying. Neither engenders confidence in me as a leader for the future.
At this point the whole situation interests me simply from a business case study POV. What does BB do that I think makes sense and what do they do that is baffling. If you actually read what I post you will see I am not just over here hating with no regard for whats actually happening. I realize that doesnt fit the narrative some want to tell but its the truth.
Nothing anyone says here will have any affect at all whether BB succeeds or fails. To say different is simply looking for an excuse incase things go wrong so please just stop with all the "If you dont support BB you dont support pool or the players" bullshit.