Mika/Williams SBE
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Maybe next year the 14.1 challenge can be for amateurs only.
There are more amateurs than pros.
The amateurs are perhaps more likely to play for the glory of winning the tournament.
An amateur tourney will still attract people to the game perhaps even more since other players can see that non pros can play and enjoy 14.1.
The winner might even get a write up in their local paper or on the local TV News which would be a lot more exposure for pool than these two pros bring to the sport by chopping the pot.
Just some thoughts on the matter.
There are more amateurs than pros.
The amateurs are perhaps more likely to play for the glory of winning the tournament.
An amateur tourney will still attract people to the game perhaps even more since other players can see that non pros can play and enjoy 14.1.
The winner might even get a write up in their local paper or on the local TV News which would be a lot more exposure for pool than these two pros bring to the sport by chopping the pot.
Just some thoughts on the matter.
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Very, very good comment. Would love to see it become an all out amateur event. I would like to give it a try myself, if it were so.
You are so right about the point on the "glory" then the money.
Very, very good comment. Would love to see it become an all out amateur event. I would like to give it a try myself, if it were so.
You are so right about the point on the "glory" then the money.
Thank you all for your concerns.
It really saddened us all the way the event finished off. But as a whole the event was a huge success. Numbers were certainly up this year, and i believe we always had a waiting list for players who were eager to get on the leader board. i know this for a fact because i didnt even get a chance to take my innings
I personally want to thank everyone that supported the event both financially and logistically, without you all this event would not be possible.
We are very eager to start preparing for next year, and we already have the gears in motion as to ways that we can improve on the great event. and we will most certainly will keep you all in the loop on all new developments !
Thank you all for your ideas, its great knowing that everyone wants to get involved somehow !
-Steve
It really saddened us all the way the event finished off. But as a whole the event was a huge success. Numbers were certainly up this year, and i believe we always had a waiting list for players who were eager to get on the leader board. i know this for a fact because i didnt even get a chance to take my innings
I personally want to thank everyone that supported the event both financially and logistically, without you all this event would not be possible.
We are very eager to start preparing for next year, and we already have the gears in motion as to ways that we can improve on the great event. and we will most certainly will keep you all in the loop on all new developments !
Thank you all for your ideas, its great knowing that everyone wants to get involved somehow !
-Steve
They know they have a schedule conflict so why don't they just play in one or the other.
If you don't finish, You don't get paid. Maybe the Super Bowl Teams could Chop and we would have 2 champions. Let's do it in all sports.
chop,chop, JMO
That would be a great start.
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What is the ABP's position on the actions of it player/representatives regarding the finals or lack of a finals match of the FURY 14.1 tournament at the Hopkins SBE. Is this the type of representation we should expect from the men's professional pool players? The ABP would/should not get a single dollar or any sponsorship if this is condoned.
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Sent the following E-mail to the ABP we'll see how or if they respond.
What is the ABP's position on the actions of it player/representatives regarding the finals or lack of a finals match of the FURY 14.1 tournament at the Hopkins SBE. Is this the type of representation we should expect from the men's professional pool players? The ABP would/should not get a single dollar or any sponsorship if this is condoned.
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Good idea, but what criteria are you going to use to separate the amateurs from the pros?
I see a lot of amateur pool events being played nowadays with pro-speed players in them.
Maniac
As I understand it Mika was playing in another side event and Charlie was waiting for him until it appeared they wouldnt have time to finish the 14.1 finals if they started it so Charlie took off. If this is the case I don't think the blame lies on Charlie at all (yeah I just said that). If Charlie was available to play the finals he gets paid, Mika gets DQ'ed and the prize goes down the line to the other players.
Based on what I have read and heard I dont think this was a blatant case of two guys just chopping the finals and walking out the door to go to the bar. That has happened more times than I can count and when it does happen it pisses me off to no end but I don't think that is what occurred here. The ABP deserve a lot of heat for things they do but to keep things honest I don't think this is one of those times. As I see it the issue is in not having a hard time for the finals and for Mika choosing to play in another side event that jeopardized having enough time to finish the 14.1.
The way you fix it is to schedule the finals before a ball is hit and make it clear anyone who doesnt show doesnt get paid. Everyone has choices to make. This is just another case of good promoters trying to make everyone happy and it coming back to bite them in the ass. I am sure the guys who run this already have a plan in place to make sure it doesnt happen again and I hope none of the event supporters bail because of one glitch in an otherwise great event.
Based on what I have read and heard I dont think this was a blatant case of two guys just chopping the finals and walking out the door to go to the bar. That has happened more times than I can count and when it does happen it pisses me off to no end but I don't think that is what occurred here. The ABP deserve a lot of heat for things they do but to keep things honest I don't think this is one of those times. As I see it the issue is in not having a hard time for the finals and for Mika choosing to play in another side event that jeopardized having enough time to finish the 14.1.
The way you fix it is to schedule the finals before a ball is hit and make it clear anyone who doesnt show doesnt get paid. Everyone has choices to make. This is just another case of good promoters trying to make everyone happy and it coming back to bite them in the ass. I am sure the guys who run this already have a plan in place to make sure it doesnt happen again and I hope none of the event supporters bail because of one glitch in an otherwise great event.
Why then is Fury Cues is not happy
JCIN, sounds like a plausible story.
Then again why is Fury Cues upset?
Weren't they there?
Take Care, Barney
JCIN, sounds like a plausible story.
Then again why is Fury Cues upset?
Weren't they there?
Take Care, Barney
Well if I was a sponsor I probably wouldnt care why the finals didnt happen. The fact they didnt would be enough to piss me right off and I certainly agree with them being upset. I am just trying to see things from all sides.
The ABP should take heat when they screw up and players need to be held to a standard of conduct but at the same time it is a promoters responsibility to organize an event so that there is very little grey area as to what the schedule is. I don't think there are any real bad guys in this situation I think its just a combination of factors that created the situation.
In hindsight I think the move would have been to tell both players "Hey the finals are going at X'oclock. No show, no money." If one or both choose to do something else beside play in the finals they forfeit all money and don't get to play the next year. Fair is fair. The promoters and sponsors make a commitment to the event and so should the players. Choices have consequences.
I wasnt there and could be all mixed up. Based on the info I have I think its something that will be learned from and won't happen in the future with this event.
Besides everything, I didn't read all of the posts, but Mika qualified on a diffrent table than everyone else did. He had the cue ball he wanted and played on a differrent table than everyone else. It wasn't fair that Mika was able to qualify on a different. Not sure if this was brought up but, it should have been. It should be equal across the board, if you are going to see who has the high run for the weekend.
Fair question Maniac.
How about excluding anyone on the top AZB money list (top 30 or top 100 players) for the previous 2 years.
The TD could also exclude from a list of "known" players who make their living playing pool. I'm not suggesting we bar the talent, there are some excellent 14.1 players who have careers outside of the Pool Industry. Steve Lipsky is but one example. A great player who plays pro speed but doesn't make his living playing pool.
I thought they used another table because it was getting backed up, that's the way I understood it. I watched him qualify and the other tables were being used at the same time.
Ok first of all it wasn't the cue ball he wanted. It was what we had on hand. No player was given a choice on what equipment table they played on with what ball. And yes you are right it should have been equal across the board which was another point that was brought up to us over the weekend which will be rectified next year.
The story behind that was that we were getting backed up at night pure and simple and rather than have an 8-10 person wait list we figured hey wouldn't it be nice to use some more tables so we spoke to the artistic pool people who were kind and gracious enough to let us use two of their tables. At the time it was simply a way to get more people into and through the event without them having to wait sometimes for over an hour to play.
That being said we also did not take into consideration when you have players of a certain caliber like Shawn Wilkie, Mika, Mike Davis, Charlie Williams John Schmidt etc. that things the regular player may take for granted like a different cue ball and different cloth although they play similar its just not the same and it can make a massive difference in a players game.
It was an idea that stemmed from good intention and at the time it felt like the right thing to do. After it was brought to our attention we realized the error we made and as I said next year it will be rectified. But for the record, choice and want had nothing to do with where any player played or with what equipment he or she played with or on.
The one thing I learned from this experience is that I will not be supporting CW's 14.1 tournament. There is no way he should have been promoting his event teh same time teh SBE is going on. Next night, no problem, same night, big problem. Just selfish.
