Real Pool Reality Show crowdfunding

[ronscuba]

What is he doing for pool and players? He is trying to sell videos and the money goes to a handpicked group of players and himself. I think he should have not went the crowdfunding way and just sold Ppv for his stream if it ever goes ahead.


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How many players involved right now ? More than 1, not including himself. Recording, producing, releasing pool videos. Promoting the game of pool.

Maybe not a lot, but I feel better spending money on this than giving it to a single player to enter a tournament. Everyone makes their own decisions and justifications whether to purchase a product/service, and which, if any, cause to support or donate to.

No disrespect to anyone, but giving money to a stranger to enter a tournament feels like a handout. If someone wants to do so, great. For myself, if I am going to spend some money to help promote pool, this feels like money better spent as my dollars will touch more people.

My justification: if I treat this as a donation and there are 10 players, I donated to 10 different people, helped promote pool by supporting a production that will be shown online and I got a perk to watch the matches.

Just my thoughts on this.

 

[cleary]

I'm selling video streams, not asking for charity. That hasn't sunk in yet.

I have a good idea. This show is going to be about a lot of things in pool. We are going to have someone show a trick shot for people who want to have some fun when they are playing with their friends. We will have comments from experts from other parts of the country. I want to get a cue maker to talk about his cues and what to look for when you are buying a custom cue.

So I think that I would like to have an opinion section. I would like Watchez and the other guys to send me a video of your opinions of this show, of professional players, or anything that you would like to have people know about what you think. That way it will be out in the open. You won't be able to hide behind stupid names and everyone will know what you think.

Since you stand behind your opinions, and you aren't just haters, I would think that this would be a perfect opportunity for you to shine. I won't call it the hater's forum, so as not to label you.

Cleary should be especially good at this because he makes pretty good videos. I've seen them.

So, all I need is a very short video, Iphone is good enough, of your opinions. Send them to realpool16@gmail.com Please say your name and State where you live in the video so everyone can see who you are.

This will be very interesting.

Jim

Jim, you're like a factory of bad ideas. Yes, I make "pretty good videos" but I also do that for a living. That's my career and making something worth watching is very time-consuming. If you would like help improving your production value, I'd be willing to trade services since you make pretty good cases but really that's about as far as I would go beyond killing some down time at work typing about it on a forum.

 

[jimM]

Chicken

Hey guys!
My name is Brian and I found Jim's offer above to be a very interesting one. Very interesting indeed. And, in fact, I would LOVE to make a video to share with Jim that captures my opinion about his proposed project. As he said above, an iPhone video would suffice. But I feel the quality of the video on my present iPhone just isn't that great so, I'll be purchasing a NEW iPhone 6S PLUS to help take this video to the next level.

The problem is, I don't have the funds to cover the $749 charge. So I'm going to launch a kickstarter campaign so that all of you will get to see this amazing video.

For every $10 donation, I'll make a video of me saying "Thank you (insert your name here)" and will send it directly to YOUR phone.

For every $20 donation, I'll make the same video, but while dancing to music that will be playing from my old iPhone. I will even record the video via SnapChat so I can add captions and cool filters.

For every $50 donation, I'll do the same thanks and same dance (again, with music playing from my old, inferior-camera'd iPhone) and will do so wearing less clothing (or more if you don't want to see my chubby ass in a state of enhanced exposure).

For every $100 donation, I'll do all of the above AND will FaceTime you on your birthday to include another song and dance AND some more opinions that you'll all LOVE to hear (unless your Jim. In that case, the video will just say "Your pool-based reality show is a genius idea Jim").

For a full $749 donation, I'll use the phone to do all of the above, as well as to text or email your for your address and your culinary likes. Then I will input your address into Apple Maps so that I can be guided to your front door via a series of wrong turns and traffic-laden streets. From there, I will enter said likes into my OpenTable app (for iOS of course) to select an eatery local to you that caters to your specific food likes (up to "$$" on Open Table's pricing scale only). I will also use said phone to play music while we eat. Nothing romantic (I'm married people). Just ambient music to lighten the mood a bit. And once we're done, we can use the exceptional camera on this new iPhone 6S PLUS to make more opinion videos on a number of other topics (religion, politics, sports, daily events) and send to Jim's email so he will have the hours and hours of video feedback he desires.

Anyway, if you're interested, feel free to hit me up via PM for payment. Thanks!!!

Chicken!!!!

 

[jimM]

Chicken

Jim, you're like a factory of bad ideas. Yes, I make "pretty good videos" but I also do that for a living. That's my career and making something worth watching is very time-consuming. If you would like help improving your production value, I'd be willing to trade services since you make pretty good cases but really that's about as far as I would go beyond killing some down time at work typing about it on a forum.

Chicken!!!

 

[mia]

Chicken!!!!

Moron!!!!!!

 

[jimM]

Answer

Hold on a second here. Does Jim need money up front? From what I have seen he has the cameras etc, the players are playing with their own money. So its really just Jim's time and making a deal with the players for residuals right?? Or am I way off here? Maybe Jim can clear that up.

We can use a little money up front, because we are going to mike everyone on the teams, which is so far 17 people and the cast as well. I want everyone to be able to hear what the captains and players are saying to each other when they are making decisions on the game. So I am going to take 20% of the money from the pre sales of the video streams and use it for stuff like that.

The rest, 80% is going to be put into the pot for the teams to play for. The winners will get 80% of the pot and the losers will get 20%. It is just a way to get more money for the players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHGtMQ7M29c

This is the video from the crowdfunding.

Thanks for the question,
Jim

 

[Mr. Bond]

To be fair, Jim ( and I don't know Jim yet) did post at least a couple of threads prior to this one, asking openly for feedback and suggestions. And in theory, this place could be a good focus group if everyone could manage to keep their sarcasm in check.

Perhaps those threads would have been a better time and place to offer up opinions. Or, perhaps a private exchange of ideas and/or advice would have been a better alternative than calling into question the integrity of the project, publicly, and in the midst of the very supporters he is looking gain. Just my meager opinion of course.

Passion comes in all flavors, it's only natural, but discretion is the better part of valor.

Something else to consider:
Who benefits from pool "shows"? (even bad ones)
Everyone.
Who should make pool shows? ( even bad ones)
Everyone.
Because they all have one thing in common:

They need pool players, playing pool, on tables, with cloth and cushions on them, playing with cues, and balls, and chalk, and racks, and cue cases, and cue tools, wearing pool cloths, eating pool food, paying for pool table time, and drinking pool drinks. And then they share that video with more pool people, and they do it too.

 

[Keith Jawahir]

To be fair, Jim ( and I don't know Jim yet) did post at least a couple of threads prior to this one, asking openly for feedback and suggestions. And in theory, this place could be a good focus group if everyone could manage to keep their sarcasm in check.

Perhaps those threads would have been a better time and place to offer up opinions. Or, perhaps a private exchange of ideas and/or advice would have been a better alternative than calling into question the integrity of the project, publicly, and in the midst of the very supporters he is looking gain. Just my meager opinion of course.

Passion comes in all flavors, it's only natural, but discretion is the better part of valor.

Something else to consider:
Who benefits from pool "shows"? (even bad ones)
Everyone.
Who should make pool shows? ( even bad ones)
Everyone.
Because they all have one thing in common:

They need pool players, playing pool, on tables, with cloth and cushions on them, playing with cues, and balls, and chalk, and racks, and cue cases, and cue tools, wearing pool cloths, eating pool food, paying for pool table time, and drinking pool drinks. And then they share that video with more pool people, and they do it too.

You're making too much sense. This is not the place for that. The floggings shall continue.

 

[JAM]

Oh please. Jim started a thread to solicit money and feedback. And even if he didn't want the feedback, then he should have never asked for money. But Jim didn't get the opinions he was hoping for. He wanted "Awesome! This is the best idea since pool was invented. Here's $50k!" What he got was a wake-up call to reality. And that reality is, this idea isn't a good idea. This is The Hustlers with the promise that the pool is real. But the audience doesn't really care if it's real. They don't care if the gambling is real or the shots are setup, etc.. It isn't the pool that'll make the show. It's the people. So... where's the good idea in all of this?!?!

It was YOU who read the thread and chimed in to once again proclaim that AZ is just too negative these days. We're all nits and trolls and bullies, etc.. Once again, you're free to disagree with anyone and everyone you wish and it's fair game. But if someone says something YOU don't like, AZ is a hellhole. This is typical JAM-behavior. You and Jim seem to think we're all being bullies when in fact, we're being realists. But you can't see that. So instead, your profound contributions to this thread have been:



And...



But that's right. You're the sweet, innocent little victim here, aren't you? Of course you are. You ALWAYS are.

I did not target anyone in this thread, yet you targeted me. I see you edited your thread. I guess you realized you are in the wrong when you attack another member, as you did me in this thread. I did quote your words, though, before you edited them, so they're out there for all to see, your attack on me.

I feel sorry for you. It seems like this kind of back-and-forth gives you pleasure.

 

[Wedge]

I noticed that also

To be fair, Jim ( and I don't know Jim yet) did post at least a couple of threads prior to this one, asking openly for feedback and suggestions. And in theory, this place could be a good focus group if everyone could manage to keep their sarcasm in check.

Perhaps those threads would have been a better time and place to offer up opinions. Or, perhaps a private exchange of ideas and/or advice would have been a better alternative than calling into question the integrity of the project, publicly, and in the midst of the very supporters he is looking gain. Just my meager opinion of course.

Passion comes in all flavors, it's only natural, but discretion is the better part of valor.

Something else to consider:
Who benefits from pool "shows"? (even bad ones)
Everyone.
Who should make pool shows? ( even bad ones)
Everyone.
Because they all have one thing in common:

They need pool players, playing pool, on tables, with cloth and cushions on them, playing with cues, and balls, and chalk, and racks, and cue cases, and cue tools, wearing pool cloths, eating pool food, paying for pool table time, and drinking pool drinks. And then they share that video with more pool people, and they do it too.

When Jim originally ask for input on earlier threads almost no one said boo. Now the "Legends of the Forums" berate the hell out of his ideas.Too bad the "self proclaimed know it all" members didn't offer their sage advise when Jim originally ask.

Wedge

 

[cleary]

Chicken!!!

Yep, that's it.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Well, if you are just selling Streams and not Charity, that is perfect. When the project is finished, put me down for all of them and I will pay to watch.

It will be like going out for dinner. I will gladly pay when I am finished my meal.

In this case, I will pay before I click on the Stream to watch. But not until the Stream is ready to watch.

Best I can do as a Hater.

Banks want two years of financials for business loans. If you find one that doesn't, let me know.

Yes Sir, they do. I have had to go for 2 Business Loans with what I thought were great ideas. I did all the leg work and jumped thru all the hoops, only to walk out with my Tail between my legs. Only to find that in a short time later, someone else also had the same idea, but their own money.

In the long run, I financed half a Taxi Plate on my own thru hard work and received the other half from by remortgaging my home.

Good things can come to those to work and also wait. I did both.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Your contributions make AzBilliards what it is today.

And ya know what, you're correct. There are a ton of great people on AZB.

Take a look at all the great forums that a person can visit. Machinery and Cue Maker Forum for those that Repair and Build. Wow.

NPR, which isn't as Bad as some may make it out to be. Quite interesting most days.

Thousands of members. We talk pool and pool cues, and everything in between.

Just maybe the vision of including Pro Pool in this site was never really a priority in the Owners Business Model. Ever think of that part.

We are just average Players who enjoy our evenings out playing League Pool, just like the owners do. All of us fit in perfectly with that. Maybe only a few actually fit in with Pro Pool.

We repair and build pool cues. Some collect cues. A great place to do just that also. Exposure to some of the best Builders around, thru the Maker and Sales Forum.

I have no idea as to exactly where Pro Pool is supposed to fit in. When the membership is only good and not Haters if we donate, but Haters and what is wrong with Pool if we don't, then this site isn't good for anything, is it.

But it is Jen. If it wasn't, no one would log in daily. It is doing just fine without Pro Players hanging about. If I want Pro Pool, I know where to find it. Years worth of watching on UTube.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

What I would like to see

Fun times playing pool like Pros playing pool on horses....................

Jim when you decide to do that I am down for the video ...................

 

[Banks]

Yes Sir, they do. I have had to go for 2 Business Loans with what I thought were great ideas. I did all the leg work and jumped thru all the hoops, only to walk out with my Tail between my legs. Only to find that in a short time later, someone else also had the same idea, but their own money.

In the long run, I financed half a Taxi Plate on my own thru hard work and received the other half from by remortgaging my home.

Good things can come to those to work and also wait. I did both.

Same here, as well as making a few sacrifices. Credit union gave me a small line based on my income at the time, which ive kept nearly maxed for the low rate. Next offer i got didn't cover half of what i wanted and would've saved me a whopping .01%. Been avoiding opening up any more cards so i can get my credit score back to 800 by the end of the year in time to refinance through the bank. On a good note, ive got a few extra spending points saved up. :thumbup: Another ten or twenty tables and I'll call it good for a little bit. :thud:

Got any jukeboxes for sale, bud?

 

[mia]

I did not target anyone in this thread, yet you targeted me. I see you edited your thread. I guess you realized you are in the wrong when you attack another member, as you did me in this thread. I did quote your words, though, before you edited them, so they're out there for all to see, your attack on me.

I feel sorry for you. It seems like this kind of back-and-forth gives you pleasure.

Thank you for proving my point about your laughable immaturity. You're funny.

 

[JCIN]

When Jim originally ask for input on earlier threads almost no one said boo. Now the "Legends of the Forums" berate the hell out of his ideas.Too bad the "self proclaimed know it all" members didn't offer their sage advise when Jim originally ask.

Wedge

Havent been around much lately so I missed the other threads. One thing I know to be true is if someone lets a few people on the internet stop them from doing something it wasnt that big of a deal in the first place.

Pre selling videos is fair but it should be very clear thats whats happening and not charity crowdfunding. He missed the mark on that in this thread and its turned into a shitshow as a result.

I've always liked Jim's leather work. Both cases and holsters. He has done some good things with video production as well. What I really dont understand is how a guy who can build a successful case and holster business would resort to calling people chicken and haters when some common sense observations have been made.

The idea of a reality show has been beat to death. From Ballbreakers to the Hustlers that actually were on TV to sizzle reals that got made like Jay's project to things that have been coming soon for a decade like Pool Poker and Pain. Its pretty unrealistic to think people who have seen all that will just jump on board the newest idea for the same old thing.

What I would find way more interesting than some show about seventeen players that very few people know is if he did a show about his case making. Use that a way into the pool world. People could see the craftsmanship that goes into a case and what it takes to run that type of business. It would be a way into pool that could showcase different aspects from pro's to amateurs. Build theme cases for charity or events or players. I think he already has the video chops to do it. Do it as a web series on Youtube or a PPV series on Vimeo. I would buy that. (If this becomes the next Duck Dynasty I want a writers credit)

 

[SJDinPHX]

I have carefully gone over the pertinent posts in this thread, and come away with this observation. I do not know Mr. Murnak, but I respect his contributions to this forum, his quality case making, and pool in general. I tend to agree with him, that there seems to be an abundance of genuine 'hater's', whos only goal seems to be to shoot down any attempt, to better our appreciation for the game of pool!

That being said, I tend to side with the majority, that 'crowd-funding' is not the best approach to reaching out!..However, I see no need for the insulting, beligerant attitude, of several 'full time hater's'! (and we all know who they are)..Is it really necessary to make insult after insult, at a man who is at least trying to promote the game?

As Justin (JCIN) said.."I've always liked Jim's leather work. Both cases and holsters. He has done some good things with video production as well. What I really don't understand is how a guy who can build a successful case and holster business would resort to calling people chicken and haters when some common sense observations have been made."

This has caused Jim, to spend 95% of his posts, in defense of his idea!..Is this really what AZB is all about?..No wonder most pro's shun the forum. (unless they have something to sell.:embarrassed2.. In the words of Rodney King.."Why can't we all just get along?"..Good luck Jim...
You do get an 'A' for effort from me!

PS..Before any of the 'full time hater's' chime in, (ie; Watchez, etc)..I do admit to a certain amount of hating myself. (namely CJ and the Beard) my only defense is..they deserved it..

 

[watchez]

To be fair, Jim ( and I don't know Jim yet) did post at least a couple of threads prior to this one, asking openly for feedback and suggestions. And in theory, this place could be a good focus group if everyone could manage to keep their sarcasm in check.

Perhaps those threads would have been a better time and place to offer up opinions. Or, perhaps a private exchange of ideas and/or advice would have been a better alternative than calling into question the integrity of the project, publicly, and in the midst of the very supporters he is looking gain. Just my meager opinion of course.

Passion comes in all flavors, it's only natural, but discretion is the better part of valor.

Something else to consider:
Who benefits from pool "shows"? (even bad ones)
Everyone.
Who should make pool shows? ( even bad ones)
Everyone.
Because they all have one thing in common:

They need pool players, playing pool, on tables, with cloth and cushions on them, playing with cues, and balls, and chalk, and racks, and cue cases, and cue tools, wearing pool cloths, eating pool food, paying for pool table time, and drinking pool drinks. And then they share that video with more pool people, and they do it too.

FAIL

You are seriously going to blame posters for Jim's bad idea cause no one saw his previous threads and didn't coach him properly? First, I hope you understand how ridiculous that sounds. Second, it is apparent from the maturity and intellect of Jimmy's replies, it would have done no good. Go back and look who threw out attacks and rude comments first and multiple times. It was Jimmy. He has also not given one good reason for anyone to get on board with his project. Only that pool tournaments don't get anywhere so it is time to try something else. Well as JCIN pointed out, the dream of reality TV saving pool has been started and stopped numerous times, always ending nowhere.

Then Jim posts that crowdfunding created that video. He had that video before he ever got one $10 donation.

Then you say that even a bad idea is a good idea. Wow. Driving head on into traffic is Ok, at least you are getting somewhere. And as Dick stated and added to your analysis, you get an A for effort.

 

[Jesse Gilbert]

Sounds really terrible and setup without vision. Quite possible to be very terrible and a waste of money. Especially since the godfather of crap is involved. He ride dechains coat tails and is a tournament director who drives a red corvette. So cool