So where is the Bonus Ball annoucement?

Larry Chiborak says that everything - the league, the arena, etc. - is a vehicle for the game, not the other way around. If that's his view, it's hard to see the game going away...

To repeat a phrase used earlier in this thread:
visionary or delusionary?
 
Tap, tap, tap. I think that is what we all want for sure.

I wish Earl Strickland would come forward and share his thoughts. He always speaks the truth and doesn't sugar-coat anything.

Someone might need to give him or whoever runs his facebook page a heads up. Posted about an hour a ago was something stating to watch the NY Pride in action July 18th. #ouch
 
I did not know cameramen made that kind money. Wow! :eek:

I just went on the Bonus Ball website to see if Mike Dechaine was a member. I seem to recall he was not. I then read an article written by Nathan about the team he was on. Ralf Souquet took his place.

The website, I must say, is well done. You being a graphic kind of guy may see it differently, but I like the website.

I'm not sure how to say this, but it hurts my heart to recognize those who did invest their life into this Bonus Ball venture only to have it crumble around them today. I'm not saying it's dead, but it is starting to deteriorate a little. Whatever has happened to date, these guys truly did want something good to happen. I do feel bad for them. I really do. :(

I agree with Joe_Jaguar that they should be out promoting Bonus Ball at the Rio pronto.

Website is very well done. Absolutely. Beyond their video gear, probably one of their only sale-able assets as a turnkey PPV web app (although I never did buy the PPV, so can't really tell 100%)

Site might make a good upgrade for TAR or especially Accu-Stats in the fire sale...
 
If we made that rule, we would lose a LOT of posters.

And some us would have higher post counts after all these years.

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” - Plato
 
I have heard some rumblings of players getting more involved with running the enterprise to try and save it. The press release has a bit of a "Wow we messed up." flavor to it and an actual attempt at humility which is a first for BB management. Both of these things are probably too late to do much good though.

The overhead for this giant monstrosity is way more than any revenue structure in pro pool can generate. As it sits its close to $50K a week. Nothing in pro pool makes that.

The players have given it their level best all the way around. They got behind this thing and they worked together better than I have ever seen before. That part of BB has actually given me some hope. I know a lot of them knew it was a long shot but figured it was all they had so they had to take it. The bad part is they were lied to. Numerous times. They made an honest effort but they got a bum steer.

Even if BB can find some money I just dont see how they make anything work long term without basically tearing the whole plan down and starting over. Even then the overhead is still crushing. I have done the numbers and they just come out ugly.

I will be surprised if we see the season re-start. I think its like that restaurant analogy I made earlier....when you see the doors close they almost never open back up again.

Are we going to see a Jeremy Jones vs Earl Strickland BB TAR match in the near future??:eek::grin-square:
 
Originally Posted by Gerry Williams

QUOTE: "Go play with your dog and stop trolling on here.
We get it - you don't like Bonus Ball...it is getting old. It is real easy to poke holes in a new venture - but these folks are trying to do something, all you do is complain, whine and criticize their every move." QUOTE



This is why she's the most despised poster in history of AZB. Half of every thread is her yapping on and on and on ad nauseum.
She has 1 or 2 supporters who clearly are delusional.
 
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I'm sorry ma'am. We've put him in a medically induced coma. We don't think he's likely to come out of it. By the way, make sure you stop by the reception desk on the way out to straighten out your bill.
 
I would love to read this if anyone can link it.

Not so relevant now that bonus ball is on the bench... I did a quick search and found a post by fatboy saying, in a nutshell, you cannot get a legal sports book on anything except contact sports in vegas. The Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible. The NBA tried and failed, so if something as big as the NBA couldn't make it happen, there's no way any pool venture can pull it off.
 
I have heard some rumblings of players getting more involved with running the enterprise to try and save it. The press release has a bit of a "Wow we messed up." flavor to it and an actual attempt at humility which is a first for BB management. Both of these things are probably too late to do much good though.

The overhead for this giant monstrosity is way more than any revenue structure in pro pool can generate. As it sits its close to $50K a week. Nothing in pro pool makes that.

The players have given it their level best all the way around. They got behind this thing and they worked together better than I have ever seen before. That part of BB has actually given me some hope. I know a lot of them knew it was a long shot but figured it was all they had so they had to take it. The bad part is they were lied to. Numerous times. They made an honest effort but they got a bum steer.

Even if BB can find some money I just dont see how they make anything work long term without basically tearing the whole plan down and starting over. Even then the overhead is still crushing. I have done the numbers and they just come out ugly.

I will be surprised if we see the season re-start. I think its like that restaurant analogy I made earlier....when you see the doors close they almost never open back up again.


I came up with @ $1,000,000 over 23 weeks. Close to $50k/week like you estimate Justin. I too don't see how they could ever have thought they'd be able to crack that big of a nut, especially when their only revenue is Luxury's $169 PPV. ;) Not that they shared their biz plan with us AZers, other than to say we are insignificant to it. Now this press release is doing a
180... Hmmm...
 
It's my understanding they get $1k for each match they play in. 22 regular season matches + playoffs.

You had 18 players in your numbers before.

Here is the numbers I used when looking at this thing:

They have six matches a week. One on Thursday, one on Friday, two on Saturday and two on Sunday. There are six players in each match so they pay 36 players per week.

Now let the fun begin...I will round off numbers for expediency

36 players x $1000 = $36,000

Production staff of four people @ $1200 each (Producer + 3 Camera Ops and my bet is the producer makes more) = $4800

Referee (totally guessing here but I will say $200 a day) = $800

Bonus ball girls for the week = $1000

Random staff for letting people in selling booze and merch = $1500

Commentator = $1000

Photographer = $800

So a rough estimate of just staffing costs without considering any other overhead comes to: $45,900 per week.

Divide your rent, electric, insurance, consumables and other monthly expenses by four and you will easily get enough to push that number to the $50K I mentioned.

It is a brutal nut to try and make.
 
Someone might need to give him or whoever runs his facebook page a heads up. Posted about an hour a ago was something stating to watch the NY Pride in action July 18th. #ouch

Yeah must be someone else, Earl would not be saying that currently.
 
If I didn't have so much work to do today I'd create the best MSPaint in the history of the world about this whole fiasco
 
You had 18 players in your numbers before.

Here is the numbers I used when looking at this thing:

They have six matches a week. One on Thursday, one on Friday, two on Saturday and two on Sunday. There are six players in each match so they pay 36 players per week.

Now let the fun begin...I will round off numbers for expediency

36 players x $1000 = $36,000

Production staff of four people @ $1200 each (Producer + 3 Camera Ops and my bet is the producer makes more) = $4800

Referee (totally guessing here but I will say $200 a day) = $800

Bonus ball girls for the week = $1000

Random staff for letting people in selling booze and merch = $1500

Commentator = $1000

Photographer = $800

So a rough estimate of just staffing costs without considering any other overhead comes to: $45,900 per week.

Divide your rent, electric, insurance, consumables and other monthly expenses by four and you will easily get enough to push that number to the $50K I mentioned.

It is a brutal nut to try and make.

What are your thoughts on how they expected to cover those expenses + earn a profit?

A T.V. deal? Perhaps they had one lined up if they could have shown they had generated so many ppv buys?
 
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Stick to posting pictures you're out of your element once you have put a thought together, son :)

I'd be willing to bet that Walter can out-think most of the membership here on AZB!!!

Maniac (he gotta give me the wild 6 and the breaks in a thinking contest)
 
This is why she's the most despised poster in history of AZB. Half of every thread is her yapping on and on and on ad nauseum.
She has 1 or 2 supporters who clearly are delusional.

Really? Here's my reps for the past 10 days. I don't feel despised one iota. :p

You take my post out of context without providing the post I was responding to. Good contribution to the Bonus Ball thread! ;)
 

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You had 18 players in your numbers before.

Here is the numbers I used when looking at this thing:

They have six matches a week. One on Thursday, one on Friday, two on Saturday and two on Sunday. There are six players in each match so they pay 36 players per week.

Now let the fun begin...I will round off numbers for expediency

36 players x $1000 = $36,000

Production staff of four people @ $1200 each (Producer + 3 Camera Ops and my bet is the producer makes more) = $4800

Referee (totally guessing here but I will say $200 a day) = $800

Bonus ball girls for the week = $1000

Random staff for letting people in selling booze and merch = $1500

Commentator = $1000

Photographer = $800

So a rough estimate of just staffing costs without considering any other overhead comes to: $45,900 per week.

Divide your rent, electric, insurance, consumables and other monthly expenses by four and you will easily get enough to push that number to the $50K I mentioned.

It is a brutal nut to try and make.


I don't think you can be that far off. Nice tally.

My question is: Assuming they aren't paying the players cause they're busted, how did this well funded venture run out of $$$ @ 3 weeks into the season? They're like a million short for just season 1 - surely the construction fiasco did not set them back that much - did it?

Justin, you're in the biz, and on the Vegas pool scene. Whatcha think?
 
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