Issues with Jim Lee, Part 2.

XxMerlinxX said:
I'd like to address some points you've made and I'd like to make some of my own. I underlined some of the thoughts in your post that I thought were important to point out. While you've made it clear that you're only trying to provide another point of view, what you've also said could be construed as you basically calling me a liar. I don't know if you simply skimmed over the original post or not but I was very detailed about everything, right down to the dates of the messages, and that's because I still have all of the messages saved. Obviously I can't record telephone conversations legally, so I guess that part is going to have to be believed on faith. I'm not out to ruin anyone, I've given Jim plenty of time and opportunities to make this right, and I've hardly gone through any extra to ruin him.
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I think you misunderstood my posts(s). I never called you a liar. That's not my cup of tea. I'm not a judge of other people. I basically offered up a different perspective from an angle not seen yet. Personally, I have no feelings on the matter, could care less past the value of conversation. As to you being a liar, it was not said by me. Are you telling the truth? I don't know that any more than I could know if you are lying, which I won't believe either way because it's none of my business. I'm just posting to conversate, not drag anybody around or make excuses for the faulted party.

I don't know you, barely know Jim, have no clue what actually happened between the two of you. All I know is that you posted a complaint on a public forum that I frequent, and it made for interesting conversation. Many times I probe & poke into controversial threads with my own controversial conversation just to see who responds & how. I don't make accusations or point fingers, just bring up hypothetical scenarios to see how people respond & who's responding. I learn a lot about people this way. I'm in this business & it's dang helpful for me to know who's who & how they approach things, as well as know about my competitors. Funny thing is there's always people who do not understand what i'm saying or think i'm stating my personal beliefs & practices as matter of fact, when all i'm doing is trying to open a new perspective as to see things in as many angles as I can. A few get way too caught up in the drama & seem to get emotionally involved with their opinions & finger pointing. As for me, i'm just here to learn, probe, provoke thought, and generally conversate. If we were all sitting at a table having a beer & talking about this in person, there would be no confusion about where everybody stands. But with written words on an internet forum, there's no facial expressions or tone of voice & that leaves a huge vacancy that gets filled with confusion & false impressions.
 
qbilder said:
I think you misunderstood my posts(s). I never called you a liar. That's not my cup of tea. I'm not a judge of other people. I basically offered up a different perspective from an angle not seen yet. Personally, I have no feelings on the matter, could care less past the value of conversation. As to you being a liar, it was not said by me. Are you telling the truth? I don't know that any more than I could know if you are lying, which I won't believe either way because it's none of my business. I'm just posting to conversate, not drag anybody around or make excuses for the faulted party.

I don't know you, barely know Jim, have no clue what actually happened between the two of you. All I know is that you posted a complaint on a public forum that I frequent, and it made for interesting conversation. Many times I probe & poke into controversial threads with my own controversial conversation just to see who responds & how. I don't make accusations or point fingers, just bring up hypothetical scenarios to see how people respond & who's responding. I learn a lot about people this way. I'm in this business & it's dang helpful for me to know who's who & how they approach things, as well as know about my competitors. Funny thing is there's always people who do not understand what i'm saying or think i'm stating my personal beliefs & practices as matter of fact, when all i'm doing is trying to open a new perspective as to see things in as many angles as I can. A few get way too caught up in the drama & seem to get emotionally involved with their opinions & finger pointing. As for me, i'm just here to learn, probe, provoke thought, and generally conversate. If we were all sitting at a table having a beer & talking about this in person, there would be no confusion about where everybody stands. But with written words on an internet forum, there's no facial expressions or tone of voice & that leaves a huge vacancy that gets filled with confusion & false impressions.
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Oh I get it, your just a ballbuster! is that what your trying to say?
 
Hu DAT!!!!!!!

Lots of great advice in your posts. So I give you a Hu Dat!!

I know I said I was done with this thread, but it is just too entertaining.:rotflmao:

As now I am currently unemployed, so when I am not pounding the streets looking for work, it is fun to watch the circus and forget about all of my troubles.
It is just amazing to see how people react to a given situation - Especially when they have one side of the story.

What's the other side of the story? Does it matter? Would you even listen?

WHAT'S THE POINT????

If it was to provide useful information to the next AZB person who wants to buy a cue from Jim - Does it do that? Seriously?

If it was to get Merlin $250 -Then it worked - thank Smokey, and let's end this.

If it was to allow people to vent, feel important, share their wealth of knowledge of how the world should work, and point fingers - Maybe?


What did I get out of this thread?

Showed me who is real, and who I could stand being around, if we ever meet in person in the real world - minus a monitor and keyboard.

And that my friends is priceless.


So continue the rant, since I need to fill my free time, and I hate soap operas on TV.


Michael
 
qbilder said:
I think you misunderstood my posts(s). I never called you a liar. That's not my cup of tea. I'm not a judge of other people. I basically offered up a different perspective from an angle not seen yet. Personally, I have no feelings on the matter, could care less past the value of conversation. As to you being a liar, it was not said by me. Are you telling the truth? I don't know that any more than I could know if you are lying, which I won't believe either way because it's none of my business. I'm just posting to conversate, not drag anybody around or make excuses for the faulted party.

I don't know you, barely know Jim, have no clue what actually happened between the two of you. All I know is that you posted a complaint on a public forum that I frequent, and it made for interesting conversation. Many times I probe & poke into controversial threads with my own controversial conversation just to see who responds & how. I don't make accusations or point fingers, just bring up hypothetical scenarios to see how people respond & who's responding. I learn a lot about people this way. I'm in this business & it's dang helpful for me to know who's who & how they approach things, as well as know about my competitors. Funny thing is there's always people who do not understand what i'm saying or think i'm stating my personal beliefs & practices as matter of fact, when all i'm doing is trying to open a new perspective as to see things in as many angles as I can. A few get way too caught up in the drama & seem to get emotionally involved with their opinions & finger pointing. As for me, i'm just here to learn, probe, provoke thought, and generally conversate. If we were all sitting at a table having a beer & talking about this in person, there would be no confusion about where everybody stands. But with written words on an internet forum, there's no facial expressions or tone of voice & that leaves a huge vacancy that gets filled with confusion & false impressions.
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If we were all sitting at a table having a beer & talking about this in person, there would be no confusion about where everybody stands. But with written words on an internet forum, there's no facial expressions or tone of voice & that leaves a huge vacancy that gets filled with confusion & false impressions

that's the best thought of the day
cheers!
 
simple, if you are a business man, just do what you say and keep your word. if you have a problem with that, consult your customer and let him know. and the customer has every right to a refund if the terms have changed far from reasonable. that is business. and the business person may sometimes have to take a loss for his mistakes, unforseen or not.

for the cue builders, a person getting a custom cue is waiting on the edge of his chair for it to arrive as it is one of his dreams. dont dash that dream because you are too lazy to fulfill your promise.

as for pictures they are not necessary but some customers like them. cuemakers choice here. but when you arent getting the work done the customer asks for a picture to verify that you are indeed telling the truth that you are working on his cue and are just behind schedule and are not lying to him.

when you lie to a customer you are a liar. and why do business with a liar.
 
Like you said, if you're sitting on the edge of your chair waiting, a pic or 2 of your cue in progress is exciting. If you browse the Gallery Forum, theres lots of cue makers that are proud to show off their cues in progress. I keep a small camera in the shop and take before and after pics of repair work.
I have them saved to the computer 30 seconds after I plug in the USB cord.
Not really a time consuming task.
 
Well, guess there's not much to say but.....:smile:
 

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1pRoscoe said:
and what - YOU have experience with deposits gone awry????? :duck:
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Just one of note. Got my schoolin' at the prestigious DTU....Danny Tibbitts University....25% down for nearly ten years. You live, you learn. Anybody that doesn't do proper research on a cuemaker on the front end these days is both crazy and lazy.
 
Is what is real funny and sorry at the same time is how most people only see one dimension in life period! But this all comes down to merlin not having a clue what he wanted built until january of this year. Would anyone in there right mind stop everything they are doing just to please one person who would end up changing there mind again in the next few months anyways, but I guess no one can see this or read this. He said it himself just like that! But everything thing is jims fault get off it. If your money was what you really wanted you would have done what I think just about any level headed person would have done and drove to his house and said where my money. But like children we can't take responsibility for our own aaction and love to point the finger at someone else. I guess it makes life easier to live.


Mr. Wilson can we get a video chat set up for part 3.......?
 
gwjackal said:
Is what is real funny and sorry at the same time is how most people only see one dimension in life period! But this all comes down to merlin not having a clue what he wanted built until january of this year. Would anyone in there right mind stop everything they are doing just to please one person who would end up changing there mind again in the next few months anyways, but I guess no one can see this or read this. He said it himself just like that! But everything thing is jims fault get off it. If your money was what you really wanted you would have done what I think just about any level headed person would have done and drove to his house and said where my money. But like children we can't take responsibility for our own aaction and love to point the finger at someone else. I guess it makes life easier to live.


Mr. Wilson can we get a video chat set up for part 3.......?
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Not sure what you read, but that's not at all what happened or how things transpired. The refund was asked for in January of this year, that's not when the cue design was finalized. As for me driving to Jim's house, that's just ridiculous. I understand that if you're Jim's friend, you want to try and take up for him, but please don't start making things up just to do so.
 
Dick Neighbors...

If every cuemaker ran their business as well, built their cues as well, and had morals as high as Mr. Neighbors, there'd be a lot of well-off cuemakers. Joe Callaluca is one...
:p
 
The Big Easy?

Michael,

OK, I'm taking the thread into a left turn for a moment but you playing in or watching at The Big Easy this weekend? I'm not playing for several reasons, mainly because I'm major out of tune on bar tables, but I may pass by if folks are there I want to meet.

Hu


GoTulane said:
Lots of great advice in your posts. So I give you a Hu Dat!!

I know I said I was done with this thread, but it is just too entertaining.:rotflmao:

As now I am currently unemployed, so when I am not pounding the streets looking for work, it is fun to watch the circus and forget about all of my troubles.
It is just amazing to see how people react to a given situation - Especially when they have one side of the story.

What's the other side of the story? Does it matter? Would you even listen?

WHAT'S THE POINT????

If it was to provide useful information to the next AZB person who wants to buy a cue from Jim - Does it do that? Seriously?

If it was to get Merlin $250 -Then it worked - thank Smokey, and let's end this.

If it was to allow people to vent, feel important, share their wealth of knowledge of how the world should work, and point fingers - Maybe?


What did I get out of this thread?

Showed me who is real, and who I could stand being around, if we ever meet in person in the real world - minus a monitor and keyboard.

And that my friends is priceless.


So continue the rant, since I need to fill my free time, and I hate soap operas on TV.


Michael
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cueaddicts said:
Just one of note. Got my schoolin' at the prestigious DTU....Danny Tibbitts University....25% down for nearly ten years. You live, you learn. Anybody that doesn't do proper research on a cuemaker on the front end these days is both crazy and lazy.
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Someday ask me what happened to my old friend John Wright...can you say 100% of a LARGE #
 
I knew about all this pretty close to real time! I know jim and no I don't know you but what I do know is that he is very honest and always has been. There is always more to a story it just depends on the person how much they want to let out. I'm calling or saying anything about you other than there is more to it than what you will ever say and that is all well and good. And I am more than sure everyone can see a person true colors at some point. You see I am a business man and yes I myself have made my fair share of mistakes all of which I hope I have done right by and if not oh well I have tried. So if you want my number is below and I am always willing to discuss things. So feel free to call but I don't expect you will! Cheers on your journey kid your going to need it.
 
jrackman said:
so what ever happened to John Wright???
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Still sellin cues. Satisfied customers include, but not limited to:

Peter, Michael, John, Paul, the Kid and he's on the verge of closing a deal with the man himself. What we think is thunder is really the man breakin 10B.
 
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