John Schmidt vs Niels Feijen - Schmidt conceeded

cincyman said:

I neither like him nor dislike him but (read the line in red)!!!!! thats class:eek: :thumbup: let the flogging begin:yikes:

I dont care who you f$$#ing think you are you dont say that to people,, thats absloutely ridiculous and anyone who defends him for that comment is simply moronic.

Dude you are a POOL PLAYER not president or secretary of state or even a city counsilman lol. That comment right there regardless of who said it and why and all the other things that make you angry aside is why you complain about pool being in the state it is and why YOU cant pay to go to tournys on your own and why there is no money in it,,,, (read the red comment) thats right there is the reason... That is laughable

Yup people your right he is a classy guy wow<----------sarcasm
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There is some serious irony in your post, but I'm not going to bother with it. Instead, I will only point out that "drop dead" is an expression; he is not literally telling anyone to die. I can't believe I even have to explain that, but maybe if anyone who read his post isn't a native-English speaker, perhaps they aren't familiar with the expression. :confused: Google, "drop dead expression" if you're never heard it before.
 
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cincyman said:
WOw i didnt see you throwing your two cents in on a thread i made a reply:thumbup: that was weird<------sarcasm

And i havent said anything in like 3 months but first time i reply to a "role model" and i am sure your personal hero, for saying he wishes people die i get a smarta$$ reply. Well lets just say i expected it LMAO:thumbup: Good work,,,,,,,, one question if You were playing A guy who missed a ball and you were in the stands and say he turned to you and very sternly and angeredly said "i hope you die" what would you do.


Would you say ............. wait for it...... wait for it



"drama queen much"

Or would you pound his face in??:bash:
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I would laugh. Because its funny. If the guy tried to actually attack me with a cue stick I would change his life. That is the difference between words and actions.

John said something flippant while pissed off.The dude just spent a week performing under pressure and came up short only to come here and see a guy bravely talking shit about him and his livelihood behind a screen name.

But god forbid someone say something silly on the internet when they are pissed off. String his azz up and light the torches.

It is obvious you get off on being judgmental.....I wonder how you would like it if every time you made a mistake at work everyone here could tell you how big a of a classless person you are and wonder how your employer feels about it?

John is a friend of mine, he is better at pool than most people will ever be at anything in their whole lives so while you think you can relate to what he does, unless you can perform something at a WORLD CLASS level UNDER PRESSURE you can't. All you can do is talk sh!t. Other people here expressed reasoned opinions that they disagree or do not like what he did. Those have merit IMO whereas you simply want to stir up trouble and show how cool you are because you will jump on a pro when he made a mistake.

Just for the record I do not like the fact that he conceded either match but he is a grown man who had his reasons for doing so and he will live with the consequences if any. That does not give anyone the right to paint him as the anti-christ.

One thing is for sure I would not trade 100 of you for one John Schmidt on this forum. Do you ever actually ADD anything?

Let me save you the trouble of a reply:

Nuthugger...blah blah blah......clique....blah blah blah...."I keep it real".....blah blah. The End.
 
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cincyman said:
WOw i didnt see you throwing your two cents in on a thread i made a reply:thumbup: that was weird<------sarcasm

And i havent said anything in like 3 months but first time i reply to a "role model" and i am sure your personal hero, for saying he wishes people die i get a smarta$$ reply. Well lets just say i expected it LMAO:thumbup: Good work,,,,,,,, one question if You were playing A guy who missed a ball and you were in the stands and say he turned to you and very sternly and angeredly said "i hope you die" what would you do.


Would you say ............. wait for it...... wait for it



"drama queen much"

Or would you pound his face in??:bash:
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I think you are a fantastic person <---------- sarcasm

John never said "I hope you die" to Feijen. That would be completely different. He simply raked the balls and conceeded his match. Should he have done it or not? I mean no. He should have let Niels play the last balls too.

I wanted to hear John's story, but thanks to "smashmouth" we won't get that side of the story. Because smashmouth is obviously hating John, pointing out errors of John on every oppurtunity. I can understand if John wants to knock smashmouth's face now and then, and I can understand why he said what he did in this thread. But should he have said it, I mean no? But done is done.

No point for you to pretend as he said it while shooting a match. He was mad at one person, and one person only, and that's the guy writing in this thread. (But now I will understand John if he is mad at two persons)

Btw, did I say that you are a fantastic person? <------------ sarcasm
 
JCIN said:
I would laugh. Because its funny. If the guy tried to actually attack me with a cue stick I would change his life. That is the difference between words and actions.

John said something flippant while pissed off.The dude just spent a week performing under pressure and came up short only to come here and see a guy bravely talking shit about him and his livelihood behind a screen name.

But god forbid someone say something silly on the internet when they are pissed off. String his azz up and light the torches.

It is obvious you get off on being judgmental.....I wonder how you would like it if every time you made a mistake at work everyone here could tell you how big a of a classless person you are and wonder how your employer feels about it?

John is a friend of mine, he is better at pool than most people will ever be at anything in their whole lives so while you think you can relate to what he does, unless you can perform something at a WORLD CLASS level UNDER PRESSURE you can't. All you can do is talk sh!t. Other people here expressed reasoned opinions that they disagree or do not like what he did. Those have merit IMO whereas you simply want to stir up trouble and show how cool you are because you will jump on a pro when he made a mistake.

Just for the record I do not like the fact that he conceded either match but he is a grown man who had his reasons for doing so and he will live with the consequences if any. That does not give anyone the right to paint him as the anti-christ.

One thing is for sure I would not trade 100 of you for one John Schmidt on this forum. Do you ever actually ADD anything?

Let me save you the trouble of a reply:

Nuthugger...blah blah blah......clique....blah blah blah...."I keep it real".....blah blah. The End.
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John Schmidt is a world class pool player. He also has a problem controlling his emotions. Many people do.

Cincyman appears to be one of the aforementioned "haters".... and I think he knows it.

You don't publicly attack and endanger the career and business opportunities of a well known man who has the balls to post on a forum under his own name. It's really a hateful, and classless, thing to do and a look a past posts indicates a pattern of doing just that.
 
john schmidt said:
believe me there is my side of story. although im not going to explain myself.
i will not tell my side and you can all thank smashmouth.also im going to do my best to never get on here again.
idiots like smashmouth are not even worth replying to as they are jealous ,no talent,wannabe ,losers.all the haters can drop dead.
to the other 99percent on here which i respect and like take care.
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So your quite the 99 percent for the one percent? Sad
 
cincyman said:
I know lol ,, it never fails though apparently i cant have an opinion of someones hero without the SAME people chiming in and i dont know why:D oh well guess what i will sleep tonight when ever my daughter decides she wants to go back to bed

I am playing golf in the morning----- wait lightbulb over my head:eek: If i hit a bad shot maybe i will tell my playing partner i hope he gets struck by lightning and then maybe JCIN will like me and call me a hero:scratchhead: oh nevermind ..........
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He isn't telling the person he is playing against to die he is saying it to people that are bad mouthing him BIG difference. He isn't turning to the stands and telling spectators to die he is telling someone on the net that bad mouthing him to die again BIG difference and EVERYONE know he doesn't really mean it he is just angry.

Was it classy? no. Did he mean it? I doubt it. Are you making it bigger than it is? YES.
 
I don't think any of us know what the pressure is like in that sort of situation.

Like some have said, it was a long grueling match. The balls weren't opening up well (whatever Dragon put on them to "clean" them made them stickier. John had been joking about the hairspray that must have been in the container.) The temperature was a little warm and the room was muggy during this match. John had to change his glove, he was sweating so much.
They were playing on diamonds, where the shots had to be perfect to go in. John had been on antibiotics, nyquil, dayquil and all kinds of stuff all week.

After drilling that tough bank, and getting a cut on the shot in the side, it looked like the end was near. When he missed, he was just probably pissed off at his play in these conditions and said to himself "the heck with it".

Judge not that ye not be judged.
 
John Schmidt paid his entry fee and competed in the tournament.

Personally, I don't think he owes anybody an explanation. If he wanted to do the Teaberry Jig around the table, that's his business.

This ain't the PGA, MLB, NBA, or NFL. This is pool, the sport where players have to pay their own way. There is no men's organization to speak of. It's each man for himself.

Don't be a stranger, John. There's always a few bad apples in the barrel. There's a lot of sweet ones too! The majority of people on this forum look forward to your posts and enjoy them. If you quit posting, you let the forum bullies and trolls win! :)

Changing the climate a bit, my boyfriend's friend, Tony from Vegas, sent him this link and said it was him when he was 20 with long hair. Tony is an avid boxing enthusiast and has a boxing ring in his back yard in Vegas. I'm still wondering if Tony is on the square or if he's pulling my boyfriend's leg. I've never seen anybody compete in boxing like this. Click on the brown picture:



JAM
 
John Schmidt lives his life out in the open. His emotions are on display for all to see most of the time.

If you have been around him, you know without a doubt that this is one of his strongest attributes!

I certainly don't think he would be the player that he is if he was not this way. The package comes with some bad things too, but I think we all have good and bad about us.

Personally, I like the whole package! Pool would be less without him. Period!

Now, about Professional Pool. Most of us can't come close to imagining how dificult it is to be a Pro Pool Player. Not because the competition is tough, even though it really is, but because you just can't make a good living. Imagine the sense of a lack of security. You spend your money to go to a tournament knowing you have to make 5th-6th or better to break even!

The problem is not the Pro Players, they are doing all they can do. The problem is not the promoters, they have little to work with too. The problem is that there are not enough REAL pool fans. If you look at it, NASCAR has millions of fans that spend money. So does every other pro sport that has money. The fact is that the money that pool needs comes from fans, period! They buy products made by the sponsoring companies who in turn spend more money to market to those fans. That money spent to market to those fans comes in the form of sponsoring players and tournaments.

Please don't think that I am attacking most of the AZB'ers out there. I believe that this group does more than it's share.

If you were to go to the APA national tournament and start asking the league players who the top pros are, what do you think the answer would be? You would be amazed at how few of them know who John Schmidt is. Or any of the others except for Allison or Jeanette.

Until someone figures out how make pool fans out of the millions of league players out there pool will not change.

Sorry for the rant!

Avid Pool Fan!
 
SoonerFan said:
John Schmidt lives his life out in the open. His emotions are on display for all to see most of the time.

If you have been around him, you know without a doubt that this is one of his strongest attributes!

I certainly don't think he would be the player that he is if he was not this way. The package comes with some bad things too, but I think we all have good and bad about us.

Personally, I like the whole package! Pool would be less without him. Period!

Now, about Professional Pool. Most of us can't come close to imagining how dificult it is to be a Pro Pool Player. Not because the competition is tough, even though it really is, but because you just can't make a good living. Imagine the sense of a lack of security. You spend your money to go to a tournament knowing you have to make 5th-6th or better to break even!

The problem is not the Pro Players, they are doing all they can do. The problem is not the promoters, they have little to work with too. The problem is that there are not enough REAL pool fans. If you look at it, NASCAR has millions of fans that spend money. So does every other pro sport that has money. The fact is that the money that pool needs comes from fans, period! They buy products made by the sponsoring companies who in turn spend more money to market to those fans. That money spent to market to those fans comes in the form of sponsoring players and tournaments.

Please don't think that I am attacking most of the AZB'ers out there. I believe that this group does more than it's share.

If you were to go to the APA national tournament and start asking the league players who the top pros are, what do you think the answer would be? You would be amazed at how few of them know who John Schmidt is. Or any of the others except for Allison or Jeanette.

Until someone figures out how make pool fans out of the millions of league players out there pool will not change.

Sorry for the rant!

Avid Pool Fan!
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My favorite picture of John: John Schmidt and Keith McCready at 2005 U.S. Open.

JAM
 

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JAM said:
Changing the climate a bit, my boyfriend's friend, Tony from Vegas, sent him this link and said it was him when he was 20 with long hair. Tony is an avid boxing enthusiast and has a boxing ring in his back yard in Vegas. I'm still wondering if Tony is on the square or if he's pulling my boyfriend's leg. I've never seen anybody compete in boxing like this. Click on the brown picture:

JAM
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Not to dispute your friend but this is an exact scene from the movie Never Back Down and looks just like the actor. I would have to say your friend is pulling your leg.
 
Meltdowns in other pro sports is more excepted than in pool. We all recognize the hard work and level you have to bring your self to in order to compete but yet when the player breaks down and cracks in our sport they get fined or ridiculed more than in any other sport. For so many years we have been supressing the pro players emotions and forcing a certain level of conduct that does not give the fans any dose of the reality of emotions and heart that is within the players. In my opinion these emotions is what lets the fans and public understand the difficulty of what we do. Also John was mad at himself and that was the reason for his outburst. It he had been mad at his opponent and went off on him in the middle of a match for no good reason that would have been different.
 
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I think John may become a little stronger player after this once he regroups. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?
This game can be so frustrating at times, even if you're not a pro and only play small weekly tournaments. I can't imagine what it is like to play a top pro event... Everybody has a different length fuse i suppose...
As for posting here...well think John put up with some BS occasionally, but really he's had a lot of fun too...hopefully he'll stick around...
 
Pool is a unique sport in the emphasis that is placed on the mental side of playing the game. I like to say that pool is half physical and half mental, and that is what makes it the very difficult game that it is. To play the game well, you must keep your emotions in check. A calm, even disposition is essential for most players. Yes there are exceptions but they are just that, exceptions. Often players like Ralf Souquet and Nick Varner are criticized for displaying little visible emotion. But it is this self control that helps them cope with the pressures of big time pool. For all we know they may be churning inside.

Consequently all this bottled up emotion sometimes needs an outlet. Thus we see many cases of pool players acting out their frustrations. We all know instances of individuals who have difficulty keeping their emotions in check. And most of us have exhibited some type of emotional outburst at one time in our pool careers. Maybe even more than once. :wink: It may take the form of an expletive or it may be abuse of our cue. Or it may be some other type of unusual behavior that only appears when we are playing pool.

And the strange thing is, it only happens when we play pool. Does any of this begin to sound familiar? Like many on here I am perplexed when a great player like John concedes a match that is clearly not over yet. But I definitely understand the emotion that caused him to act the way he did. Who among us has not lost it before in the heat of the battle? I know I have.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I have a question for our members:


Would you rather have John Schmidt on this board or Smashmouth?
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That's a good way to put it in perspective......

Of course, I vote JS.
 
John is very emotional player, and his concession was more to the equipment and conditions than it was to his opponent. If you go to Niels website you will see that Niels' comments on the match reflect that as well. Those of us that know John and have spent time with him understand that the concession was also a gesture of respect towards his opponent.

I have seen John play great.

I have seen John struggle at the table.

I have seen John toss his putter into the pond on the 18th green.

I have seen John go through many ups and downs personally and professionally -and he has made it through all of that stuff with class and dignity - and a million dollar smile on his face.

I look back at where John was 4 years ago and then I look at his life now, and I see a champion at the game of pool and a champion in the game of life.

People that shit on him (for whatever reason) despise John's attitude and they despise his success. Like Fast Eddie said, they can't live unless they make everything else dead around them. They're losers.

I hope John reconsiders his decision to leave the forum. He is a big part of the success of the straight pool forum. I would also like to congratulate John on his performance in this event - he performed very well despite being sick all week.
 
Its seems like the longer this board exists, the more it alienates the pro players from participating. I think we now have a dozen loudmouth trolls for every person that can run three racks in a row.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I have a question for our members:


Would you rather have John Schmidt on this board or Smashmouth?
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Ahhh...they both should be allowed to continue to post and to be able to express their opnions -- whether pro-JS or anti-JS. Okay, what do I win?

The funny thing to me is -- everyone seems to acknowledge that what John did was not good and probably wasn't the professional thing to do. I say, if a professional does something that they shouldn't do while performing their sport -- they are going to have to man-up and take the heat -- that's just the way life works.

I don't like what he did, but I don't think that it's that big of a deal. If he were to continue doing this type of thing regularly however, we are ALL going to have to stop cutting him as much slack. We don't need ANOTHER Earl on the pool scene. :wink: One is enough...really. There...I did it...I drew a parallel with Earl. I know, I know...it's way too early to make that comparison...but we all know Earl has the propensity to "rake-the-balls" during a match...which is only the symptom and not he problem.
 
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