My night out at the IPT event

[Rubyron]

Why would the players who tried to qualify for a tournament be entitled to anything unless they got 1st or 2nd? All the others knew that if they didn't get 1st or 2nd, they would not get an entry into the tournament. So I agree that the top 2 of each qualifier should get their money back, but disagree that there is any entitlement to the others. If I'm wrong here, please elaborate on your point.

If he can legally get away with not paying back everyone that entered a qualifier for a cancelled event, I'd say he's onto a pretty good scam.

Promise big money for a tour. Collect entry fee's from qualifiers. Indefinitely postpone (cancel) tour. Only pay back the handful of people that won qualifiers and pocket everybody else's money.

It doesn't seem like it should be legal to me, but I guess that is what has happened.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I have tried to watch the old matches but cant because now you have to be a premium member,before you could watch them as a basic member all for free.

 

[sizl]

I think Freddy and KT would work very well together...

It sounds to me like they already ARE!

I will take the "I am from Missouri" stance, and we all know that Missouri is the "SHOW ME STATE"

I hope for the best, but I will remain a bit skeptical.

PEACE
TODD

 

[TX Poolnut]

Aw man! All we got to eat at IPT Orlando was "health" food. The organic hot dogs they sold were gross.

 

[wincardona]

as a tack

Don't pick on Freddy, he's in the later stages of life and trying to latch onto the IPT to 'feather his own nest'.
I even heard that he's in the process of changing his own autograph to "Freddy The Bird".
Doug
( go for it Freddy and good luck wit dat )

Borg, you are sooooo cleverly funny.

 

[alstl]

Since you weren't there -- and I was -- it appears that you have an agenda with the IPT -- for whatever reason. Since everybody has now been paid, where does the stiffing part come in? ... And the Lord said, "Father forgive them...." I just checked and verified that Busty and Corey both got paid what they were supposed to. Busty got 5k and Corey got a decent 2nd place check --- the amount he was promised. If you think this broadcast is a cheap operation you are very wrong. The soundstage that the broadcast emanates from, is one very large floor in a very large building owned by one of the new sponsors. A very rich, billionaire Greek. The crew was all very professional and qualified. The soundstage lounge where we ate and could also watch the match on various large HD TVs was outfitted with expensive sofas and chairs and was large enough to put about 30 pool tables
in. Jay, give these guys a break and just wait and see what happens. Listen to the Beard. How easy do you think it is to con a Sicilian pool hustler like myself?
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard

I've got no beef with the IPT and my comment about the sound was meant as constructive criticism. Watch the video when he get it running on the website and you will see what I mean. If you know these guys pass it on to them, and you can pm me for the address to have the sexy waitress deliver my pizza to.

 

[jimmyg]

I can only speak for myself. But I've always cared about what I did for a living, and who I did it for. My ethics, and principles were never for sale. And I certainly would never latch onto KY's coatails.

If I want a good meal, or a foxy lady....I pay for it myself.

Jim

 

[ShootingArts]

let me tell you about a mule

Why would the players who tried to qualify for a tournament be entitled to anything unless they got 1st or 2nd? All the others knew that if they didn't get 1st or 2nd, they would not get an entry into the tournament. So I agree that the top 2 of each qualifier should get their money back, but disagree that there is any entitlement to the others. If I'm wrong here, please elaborate on your point.

A Cajun made a deal with a Texan to buy a mule for $100. Renee gave Billy-Bob the hunnert dollars but when he came back the next day to pick up the mule it was dead. Billy-Bob told him a deal was a deal. Couple days later Billy-Bob met up with Renee headed into the bank. "Billy-Bob I can't thank you enough for selling me that mule my friend!" Billy-Bob couldn't understand it. "You're not mad?" "No not mad at all, I went to Orange the other afternoon when everybody was getting paid and I sold raffle tickets for that mule. I sold 200 tickets for five dollars apiece!"

Billy-Bob asked him, "What about the man that won the mule? Wasn't he mad?"
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"I gave him his five dollars back."

Make sense about the qualifiers now?

Hu

 

[beetle]

A noble and elaborate analogy. While I do have hillbilly roots, it was still somewhat difficult to read, but I think I got it. It's not that I totally don't see this side of it, but still I think that those who didn't get 1st or 2nd in the qualifiers rightfully had no expectation of anything at that point. That the tournament(s) were cancelled at a later time had no relevance to their expectations, since they were already out of the running.

A Cajun made a deal with a Texan to buy a mule for $100. Renee gave Billy-Bob the hunnert dollars but when he came back the next day to pick up the mule it was dead. Billy-Bob told him a deal was a deal. Couple days later Billy-Bob met up with Renee headed into the bank. "Billy-Bob I can't thank you enough for selling me that mule my friend!" Billy-Bob couldn't understand it. "You're not mad?" "No not mad at all, I went to Orange the other afternoon when everybody was getting paid and I sold raffle tickets for that mule. I sold 200 tickets for five dollars apiece!"

Billy-Bob asked him, "What about the man that won the mule? Wasn't he mad?"
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"I gave him his five dollars back."

Make sense about the qualifiers now?

Hu

 

[jay helfert]

A Cajun made a deal with a Texan to buy a mule for $100. Renee gave Billy-Bob the hunnert dollars but when he came back the next day to pick up the mule it was dead. Billy-Bob told him a deal was a deal. Couple days later Billy-Bob met up with Renee headed into the bank. "Billy-Bob I can't thank you enough for selling me that mule my friend!" Billy-Bob couldn't understand it. "You're not mad?" "No not mad at all, I went to Orange the other afternoon when everybody was getting paid and I sold raffle tickets for that mule. I sold 200 tickets for five dollars apiece!"

Billy-Bob asked him, "What about the man that won the mule? Wasn't he mad?"
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"I gave him his five dollars back."

Make sense about the qualifiers now?

Hu

Great story and perfectly appropos.

 

[JDB]

A noble and elaborate analogy. While I do have hillbilly roots, it was still somewhat difficult to read, but I think I got it. It's not that I totally don't see this side of it, but still I think that those who didn't get 1st or 2nd in the qualifiers rightfully had no expectation of anything at that point. That the tournament(s) were cancelled at a later time had no relevance to their expectations, since they were already out of the running.

I think you hit the nail, but not on the head. I think you are giving KT too much credit.

If you don't have the money to pay the upcoming expenses for the next year, as a business man, you HAVE to know, or you are not a business man... So there was no way that he did not know BEFORE the qualifiers that he would not be able to meet his expense commitments.

If he was betting that he would be bought out by the Online Gambling industry... well he was gambling... and that is NO excuse.

Therefore, I think Shooting Arts analogy was pretty dead on.

 

[dabarbr]

A Cajun made a deal with a Texan to buy a mule for $100. Renee gave Billy-Bob the hunnert dollars but when he came back the next day to pick up the mule it was dead. Billy-Bob told him a deal was a deal. Couple days later Billy-Bob met up with Renee headed into the bank. "Billy-Bob I can't thank you enough for selling me that mule my friend!" Billy-Bob couldn't understand it. "You're not mad?" "No not mad at all, I went to Orange the other afternoon when everybody was getting paid and I sold raffle tickets for that mule. I sold 200 tickets for five dollars apiece!"

Billy-Bob asked him, "What about the man that won the mule? Wasn't he mad?"
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"I gave him his five dollars back."

Make sense about the qualifiers now?

Hu

I'm getting my five dollars back. One dollar at a time.

 

[Fatboy]

I feel that pool is heading into the right direction,but as a professional player I would be more concerned about the pace then anything else. .

ok there it is a self proclaimed pro, now I need more weight respect

 

[freddy the beard]

Your concern is appreciated but unnecessary

I was born & raised in NY - I understand fully that there is no compare to Brooklyn pizza (it is the water) but my italian side of the family would never call pizza first class. Many italian weddings, confirmations, etc. attended & never pizza served at a first class event.

I am surprised with the Greek billionaire in attendance that they didn't serve first class gyros.

Just to go over Freddie's thought processes again - We should pay for a pool player's autograph & pizza is first class when you are hosting 50 or more people.

Tell Abruzzo that we are looking forward to seeing him, Claw & Bandy in May.

Firstly, what pool event did you ever attend where you got anything to eat for free? In the 40s and 50s the menu at the many Italian weddings I attended was exclusively Italian beef and sausage sandwiches. Secondly, your concern for my mental instability is appreciated but unnecessary. I sold about $1400 worth or autographed balls from my stand at DCC. As Mark Twain once said, "Reports of the death of Pool Memorabilia have been greatly exaggerated."

the Beard
Commercial: Balls signed by Jimmy Reid, Vernon Eliot and Donny Anderson are available on my website (and nowhere else).

one more postscript --I was in NY a few months ago, what passes as Italian sausage on the pizza in NY wouldn't qualify as ...blah, blah, blah, in Chicago. Any Chicago sausage pizza lover can fill in the blanks.

 

[ShootingArts]

problem is that they put up their money too

A noble and elaborate analogy. While I do have hillbilly roots, it was still somewhat difficult to read, but I think I got it. It's not that I totally don't see this side of it, but still I think that those who didn't get 1st or 2nd in the qualifiers rightfully had no expectation of anything at that point. That the tournament(s) were cancelled at a later time had no relevance to their expectations, since they were already out of the running.

Beetle,

The problem with the qualifiers is that everyone put up their money for the chance to win something that wasn't possible to win. Because the winners never received their prizes, everyone is entitled to a full refund. This is a matter of law many places if not everywhere. If people make an issue of it then KT must refund the monies or face civil action. If someone finds a DA looking to make a name for himself, I'm pretty sure that there could be felony charges too. You can't have people pay entries for any form of competition and then not provide the prize offered to entice them to enter. KT guaranteed funding for the IPT through the year the qualifiers were for. He didn't deliver. That is the bottom line.

Hu

 

[memikey]

Why would the players who tried to qualify for a tournament be entitled to anything unless they got 1st or 2nd? All the others knew that if they didn't get 1st or 2nd, they would not get an entry into the tournament. So I agree that the top 2 of each qualifier should get their money back, but disagree that there is any entitlement to the others. If I'm wrong here, please elaborate on your point.

Hard to believe that anyone can even ask why the players would be entitled. We are not talking about players who entered qualifiers to try to win places in the two big 2006 events which did take place.

We are talking about those who each forked out $2,000/- to enter what were effectively 'pre-qualifiers' to try to win a place in what was going to be a Qualifier Final to be held in December 2006 at which 50 places on the 2007 Tour would be up for grabs.

In the first place neither the aforementioned Qualifier Final nor the 2007 Tour ever took place and it became patently obvious that these events never actually existed other than in IPT's vivid imagination of what they "might" be able to do if they had secured funding by thousands of players entering those and earlier similar qualifying events. This of course had by mid/late 2006 transpired to be a miscalculation of gigantic proportions.

In the second place it is superfluous at this time for anyone to put forward the case that IPT are not obliged to make these refunds as the IPT themselves, long after the collapse, have already accepted that they are obliged to do so and have already issued a pretty clear undertaking/promise to in due course refund US$ 2,000/- to each and every entrant to the aforementioned pre-qualifiers for the December 2006 Qualifier Final or to offer any player who might prefer it the alternative recompense of receiving several free entries in future qualifiers, if and when any more such qualifiers ever take place.

Though the tour members and other IPT players who have now been paid the missing prize money from the last big event to be held may not like to think of this way the cold hard fact is that some of the money now in their pockets came out of the pockets of the defrauded pre-qualifier entrants.

Whether the passage of time has now resulted in any pre-qualifier entrant who has not yet obtained his US$ 2,000/- refund losing any legal right to receive it is of course quite a different subject and probably not one on which anyone other than a lawyer or someone who has consulted a lawyer would be qualified to pass a reliable or confident opinion.

My own purely personal gut feeling closing thought would be that since all tournament prize money eventually got paid there is reasonable expectation to assume that IPT will eventually honour their refund committments and promises to those pre-qualifier entrants as well.

 

[watchez]

Firstly, what pool event did you ever attend where you got anything to eat for free? In the 40s and 50s the menu at the many Italian weddings I attended was exclusively Italian beef and sausage sandwiches. Secondly, your concern for my mental instability is appreciated but unnecessary. I sold about $1400 worth or autographed balls from my stand at DCC. As Mark Twain once said, "Reports of the death of Pool Memorabilia have been greatly exaggerated."

the Beard
Commercial: Balls signed by Jimmy Reid, Vernon Eliot and Donny Anderson are available on my website (and nowhere else).

one more postscript --I was in NY a few months ago, what passes as Italian sausage on the pizza in NY wouldn't qualify as ...blah, blah, blah, in Chicago. Any Chicago sausage pizza lover can fill in the blanks.

Well Freddy - we (you) are moving forward. You have now seemed to realize that pizza is not first class & have relegated to be happy that you got 'something' for free.

You should join a pool league - most give free food like pizza on finals night. You even get a team drink each week. You would be in hog heaven & really feel like you are being treated like pool royalty all year long. Put KT, Deno and the Greek billionaire on your team & have a blast.

PS I have an autographed ball by Buddy Hall - a far better player than anyone on your list. I got it for free, the word you seem to like so much, but will sell it to you for $34.95.

But wait, there is more. I also have a piece of chalk used by SVB at this year's DCC. A $6.95 value. I will also add this for the $34.95.

But wait, as a limited time offer, there is more. I also have a used plastic soda cup drank out of by Jeanette Lee - the most famous female pool player alive. A $12.95 value.

So for the low low price of $34.95 - you get three great items. The ball - the chalk - the cup. Hurry, while supplies last. Each comes with a letter of authenticity.

Dang - this KT/Deno act is easy.

 

[Handsumm]

Although you cannot have it, I will sell you a subscription for $34.95 a month to DRINK from the bottle that Jeanette drank from...more like it

 

[freddy the beard]

Do you really want to take me on?

Well Freddy - we (you) are moving forward. You have now seemed to realize that pizza is not first class & have relegated to be happy that you got 'something' for free.

You should join a pool league - most give free food like pizza on finals night. You even get a team drink each week. You would be in hog heaven & really feel like you are being treated like pool royalty all year long. Put KT, Deno and the Greek billionaire on your team & have a blast.

PS I have an autographed ball by Buddy Hall - a far better player than anyone on your list. I got it for free, the word you seem to like so much, but will sell it to you for $34.95.

But wait, there is more. I also have a piece of chalk used by SVB at this year's DCC. A $6.95 value. I will also add this for the $34.95.

But wait, as a limited time offer, there is more. I also have a used plastic soda cup drank out of by Jeanette Lee - the most famous female pool player alive. A $12.95 value.

So for the low low price of $34.95 - you get three great items. The ball - the chalk - the cup. Hurry, while supplies last. Each comes with a letter of authenticity.

Dang - this KT/Deno act is easy.

Who are you, pal? Your sarcasm is weak and unfounded. Do you have a name and a legend -- like I do? Buddy Hall signed 10 cueballs for me and I made him take $50. He, like most of the others, (Efren Reyes, Jimmy Fusco, Karen Corr, Jimmy Reid, Eddie Kelly, Ronnie Allen, Donnie Anderson, Vernon Eliot, Billy Incardona, Danny Harriman, larry Price, Marshall Carpenter,Jose Parica, Grady Mathews,Scott Frost, Mark Tadd, Nick Varner, Wade Crane, Danny Di, Truman Hogue, George Rood, ) wanted to do it for free, but I insisted they take the money. How's that list? You want to knock that list? And unlike you, I played and gambled with most of the people on it.
If you went to an IPT event is there anybody there who would know you enough to say hello to you? Get your negative attention from somebody else. Guys like you have run off almost every top player from posting on the forum.

the Beard

 

[Island Drive]

Who are you, pal? Your sarcasm is weak and unfounded. Do you have a name and a legend -- like I do? Buddy Hall signed 10 cueballs for me and I made him take $50. He, like most of the others, (Efren Reyes, Jimmy Fusco, Karen Corr, Jimmy Reid, Eddie Kelly, Ronnie Allen, Donnie Anderson, Vernon Eliot, Billy Incardona, Danny Harriman, larry Price, Marshall Carpenter,Jose Parica, Grady Mathews,Scott Frost, Mark Tadd, Nick Varner, Wade Crane, Danny Di, Truman Hogue, George Rood, ) wanted to do it for free, but I insisted they take the money. How's that list? You want to knock that list? And unlike you, I played and gambled with most of the people on it.
If you went to an IPT event is there anybody there who would know you enough to say hello to you? Get your negative attention from somebody else. Guys like you have run off almost every top player from posting on the forum.

the Beard

Go easy on him Freddy, he's still got allot of growin up to do with his type of comments and Pool Detectives are a dime a dozen, let it go.....Sell him a mule, maybe he can get $195 profit from it.