No Bonus Ball live stream???

This situation reminds me of the final day of TAR 20. There was a screw up with the PPV system and it ended everyone's access early with no way to get it back. It took about 30 minutes to switch it over to Ustream so everyone could finish seeing the match.

I dont understand why they didnt do that twenty minutes into tonight or why not do it during halftime. It would be so much better than a blank screen and a facebook post. For the level of production they are doing I bet Ustream would feature them weekly and help promote the project.
 
JCIN said:
This situation reminds me of the final day of TAR 20. There was a screw up with the PPV system and it ended everyone's access early with no way to get it back. It took about 30 minutes to switch it over to Ustream so everyone could finish seeing the match.

I dont understand why they didnt do that twenty minutes into tonight or why not do it during halftime. It would be so much better than a blank screen and a facebook post. For the level of production they are doing I bet Ustream would feature them weekly and help promote the project.
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That would make way too much sense for Bonus Ball.
 
JCIN said:
This situation reminds me of the final day of TAR 20. There was a screw up with the PPV system and it ended everyone's access early with no way to get it back. It took about 30 minutes to switch it over to Ustream so everyone could finish seeing the match.

I dont understand why they didnt do that twenty minutes into tonight or why not do it during halftime. It would be so much better than a blank screen and a facebook post. For the level of production they are doing I bet Ustream would feature them weekly and help promote the project.
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I remember that (I think same event...). The ppv cut out at midnight, and the match went longer. I think after that you changed the cutoff time to 4am or so.
 
I'll go with what Justin said as his big toe knows more about streaming than I will ever know.

With the out lay of money on all that expensive equipment and what seems to have been more than enuff time to plan for the big night, you'd hope that a major glitch may have been taken into consideration and a back up plan incorporated.

I thought Nathan had mentioned that should something like this arise, they had the ability to switch over to UStream.

Maybe its not possible in this case but wouldn't you be able to put an artificial load on the servers to make sure they can handle it?
 
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The IPT World Open was being played for $3M with a game people could understand and the finals were way less than half of 10k.

They crashed their server with 10k viewers ... no shit. There's no server on earth facilitating more than 1000 WELL and if they weren't streaming to a CDN they weren't expecting anything... that's why it's bullshit.

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JCIN said:
The reason you use Ustream or similar providers for free feeds is that even with all hiccups that come with them they have ridiculous backbones in place to handle traffic. When you pay for streaming the provider is supposed to be able to scale to meet demand. That gets expensive though with large numbers. In a PPV situation that doesnt matter because if you have large bandwidth demand you have the money to cover it from people buying the PPV. I would LOVE to have a $20,000 bandwidth bill one day.

Its a no brainer to spin a screw up by saying "OMGZ the demand was so high it crashed the whole interwebzzzz."
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There are plenty of sites. This guy at www.dailymotion.com sends me emails and even calls me begging to move my streams to his site.

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As expected.

Allow me to translate:

"Our failure to plan for possible success produced total failure."

That is if you believe that number means 10,000 people all tried to watch at the same time. I think its bullshit and a way to CYA for a shitty plan.

10K simultaneous viewers is about five times what I have ever seen on any free feed. Does anyone here really believe 10,000 people know what bonus ball is and knew when and where to watch it?
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As I predicted - inflated numbers ala InsidePool streams.
 
Well, this thread slowed down a bit from the 20+ comments per minute when the BB show was scheduled to start.

Good luck, BB.

No offense, but it HAS to be better than tonight. You already know that. I have faith in you.

-Blake
 
My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. They have a system that created a DoS attack on themselves and they triggered something from their provider. I bet that they are going to have problems with their setup indefinitely until they get someone in there who knows what they are doing.
 
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MN_Josh said:
It seems almost idiotic in this day to not use a cloud provider for this setup. If they were using EC2 (or another elastic service) they could have just added capacity to their setup and there is no bandwidth limit. My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. They have a system that created a DoS attack on themselves and they triggered something from their provider. I bet that they are going to have problems with their setup indefinitely until they get someone in there who knows what they are doing.

I would have done this project for half of the ridiculous sum I bet they paid for it and would have given them a redundant setup to boot.
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I bet that this is very close to what happened.
 
I didn't watch, obviously haha but wow this is so funny. 10,000 viewers lmao. Yea... Amazing. With the ZERO press leading up to his, if 700 people watched that, I'd eat my foot.
 
MN_Josh said:
It seems almost idiotic in this day to not use a cloud provider for this setup. If they were using EC2 (or another elastic service) they could have just added capacity to their setup and there is no bandwidth limit. My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. They have a system that created a DoS attack on themselves and they triggered something from their provider. I bet that they are going to have problems with their setup indefinitely until they get someone in there who knows what they are doing.

I would have done this project for half of the ridiculous sum I bet they paid for it and would have given them a redundant setup to boot.
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That makes a remarkable amount sense and explains why the website would go down.
 
JCIN said:
This situation reminds me of the final day of TAR 20. There was a screw up with the PPV system and it ended everyone's access early with no way to get it back. It took about 30 minutes to switch it over to Ustream so everyone could finish seeing the match.

I dont understand why they didnt do that twenty minutes into tonight or why not do it during halftime. It would be so much better than a blank screen and a facebook post. For the level of production they are doing I bet Ustream would feature them weekly and help promote the project.
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i watched that match, i believe you gave refunds as well. its about thinking on your feet
 
MN_Josh said:
... My guess is that their problems had a couple hundred people hitting refresh constantly (their refresh button is poorly thought out as well) causing thousands of requests to the server per second. ...
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My ignorance -- how would a couple hundred people cause thousands of requests per second?
 
I also should add, thought I was inferring it when I had said a couple hundred people. Is that this is also where their 10k+ numbers are coming from. When it most likely is in the hundreds, based off of pool streaming numbers.
 
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Ten thousand viewers....:rolleyes:

This conversation immediately comes to mind.

"You're finished. I'm putting you on a plane to Vegas. Tom?...I want you to stay there, you understand?...Only don't tell me that you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now, who approached you first?"

J
 
Bandwith / Stream

Benward452 said:
This was just posted on BB facebook page:

Apologies from everyone at the WPBL we had anticipated a great turn out to our opening match, but not a turn out so great that it would crash our server at over 10,000 viewers. Thank You so much. As an appreciation to all our fans that could not watch uninterrupted tonight we will be offering the balance of this weekends matches online viewing for FREE. Today's match will be archived for later viewing.

At least they will be offering more free matches. Now the question is whether or not we will be able to watch them ;)
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I don't know the streaming - bandwith industry...so is this possible/probable or a lame excuse for a terrible stream that should have been tested many times before going live with it..Industry guys..Justin, Mark..can any of you confirm?
 
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