Playing better while medicated
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I've never played on drugs. I have after a few drinks and it always went fairly miserable (think drunken ring game at the DCC).
I think most here know or know of some very good "special mixture" players. Some of them could even go by a shorter name - "junky". I know of one who's in jail now because of it.
I think most here know or know of some very good "special mixture" players. Some of them could even go by a shorter name - "junky". I know of one who's in jail now because of it.
One of the problems that I have with this thread is that while some people may be able to play pool well using drugs. Some of those same users of drugs may even be able to keep themselves from going off the deep edge and/or do not suffer any debilitating problems from the drug use. There may be some people who read these testimonies and think that it might be worth a try and might not have otherwise tried using drugs to enhance their play. Some of those same people may not be able to keep themselves from going down the tube and some of these same people may not have the same chemical balance as those who seem to maintain a balance in their personal lives and might suffer some serious health problems because they tried some medicines that are not designed for their bodies.
My first, personal advice for anyone who isn't using drugs to play pool, don't start.
My second personal advice for anyone who isn't using drugs to play pool, if you're silly enough to try them because you think it will enhance your pool game, at least go see your doctor and ask him to provide you with a prescription, instead of buying crap off the street which you don't know where it came from or how it was made. At least your doctor MIGHT know what your body and mind is capable of handling without causing you irreparable harm. Some simple blood tests might determine that some of these drugs can kill you or cause you serious consequences. Your doctor can also counsel you about the side effects and give you his professional opinion.
Hate to see some of my fellow posters make a mistake that they will be sorry for later. Many of you have family depending on you to stay healthy.
That being said, "It is up to each person to work out their own salvation".
My first, personal advice for anyone who isn't using drugs to play pool, don't start.
My second personal advice for anyone who isn't using drugs to play pool, if you're silly enough to try them because you think it will enhance your pool game, at least go see your doctor and ask him to provide you with a prescription, instead of buying crap off the street which you don't know where it came from or how it was made. At least your doctor MIGHT know what your body and mind is capable of handling without causing you irreparable harm. Some simple blood tests might determine that some of these drugs can kill you or cause you serious consequences. Your doctor can also counsel you about the side effects and give you his professional opinion.
Hate to see some of my fellow posters make a mistake that they will be sorry for later. Many of you have family depending on you to stay healthy.
That being said, "It is up to each person to work out their own salvation".
Nothing impressive, run in place, jumping jacks and modified elevated pushups off the counter (after I washed it down with hot water and soap). Enough to get my body temperature up so I can stop shivering.
Loren
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The problem with using so called medication to improve your game is that it is only temporary. Over time it will take it's toll and when that player comes back from the Restroom they will be an egg beater, simply said Drugs only increase control until they take control and then there is no control!!!!!!
We have lost to many great players over the years because they substituted drugs or alcohol to improve, there are no winners in this scenario long term!!!!!:frown:
JC
Coos Cues
I wouldn't use the term ignorant but you are obviously substantially lacking in understanding of how it works out here in the medical marijuana states.
If I let you operate on my bones are you going to send me home with a pint of whiskey and a bullet to bite on? Oh I almost forgot, if the dope is condensed down to pill form and sold at 6,000% profit then it's all good right?
Everything you wrote in your original post was incorrect. And not just slightly.
JC
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doc
Doc you ignorant slut .
There I hope that made you feel better.
I enjoyed it.:grin:
Tell your wife and kids I said hello.
I (think) some drugs might enhance your game for a short time.
Non olympic sports, billiards or pool #1 for drug and alcohol abuse.........
If I remember right something like 60% of pool players .
I think I read this in 2007 or 2008.
I cannot remember what sport took 2 place for abuse might of been bowling but pool took first by a land slide. :woot:
Doc happy new
MMike
Doc you ignorant slut .
There I hope that made you feel better.
I enjoyed it.:grin:
Tell your wife and kids I said hello.
I (think) some drugs might enhance your game for a short time.
Non olympic sports, billiards or pool #1 for drug and alcohol abuse.........
If I remember right something like 60% of pool players .
I think I read this in 2007 or 2008.
I cannot remember what sport took 2 place for abuse might of been bowling but pool took first by a land slide. :woot:
Doc happy new
MMike
I've goofed off playing after herb,but it's not something I'd do and jump into a big gambling game or a meaningful tournament,and my reason is it's hard for me to make balls when you could blindfold me with dental floss...
However,2 of the all-time greats for the cash as well as tournaments both told me that you can think or say whatever you want,but the bottom line is if you gambled big from the mid-70's to way late in the 80's and you weren't on SOMETHING,that chances are you lost because you could have bet your ass your opponent WAS.
One of them even said that 2 guys betting more than 1000 a set on any game where both players were straight was so rare you remembered it,and 2 guys splitting an 8-ball before a set was so common you never blinked an eye about it. Tommy D.
However,2 of the all-time greats for the cash as well as tournaments both told me that you can think or say whatever you want,but the bottom line is if you gambled big from the mid-70's to way late in the 80's and you weren't on SOMETHING,that chances are you lost because you could have bet your ass your opponent WAS.
One of them even said that 2 guys betting more than 1000 a set on any game where both players were straight was so rare you remembered it,and 2 guys splitting an 8-ball before a set was so common you never blinked an eye about it. Tommy D.
Sometimes a trip to the bathroom in the middle of a patch is necessary. I play better not because I am tuned up, but because my child size bladder isn't distracting me.
It's hard to concentrate when you gotta go...
Sometimes a trip to the bathroom followed by better play is just a trip to the bathroom...
It's hard to concentrate when you gotta go...
Sometimes a trip to the bathroom followed by better play is just a trip to the bathroom...
i took 2, 20 mg adderall, played $30 one pocket for 17 hours, came out 21 games winner giving 11-7, went home and cleaned the carpets with tweezers, went back to the pool hall and fell asleep!
TheThaiger
Banned
Just curious, but how do you play better on Xanax? I've only taken it a couple of times, but it just sent me straight to sleep, with no warning.
My Adderall story:
Some one gave me one of those once-just one, i took it home and tossed it in my "Roid" drawer, not giving it much thought. About 18 months later on a sunday morning before the gym I was shooting up my roids and it rolled out from under something. I remembered being told it would wake me up, since I was sleepy that day-this is was in 03, I popped it.
I was training that day with a friend who had 20 years + in the gym and a Doctor with 10 years in the gym, I had about 10 years experience then as well. I have never done speed, coke or any stimulants other than coffee. I'm wired enough on the natural.
I drag my ass into the gym and start training. In about 15-20 minutes it hit me....hard. I was blasted, oh God I loved it for the first 5 minutes. Then I was completely out of my tree, I asked Julio the Dr. , actually he is a surgeon. "How long is this going to last??" After the first 5 minutes I was done with it. I couldnt complete a thought let alone a sentence. He laughed his ass off, and didnt answer. Everyone was laughing at me, I would have but I was too miserable to enjoy the spectacle I had became.
Two hours later I was at home, still out of my tree. I called Julio and asked him what possibly could I do to get back to normal. he just laughed at me more. He said "Live with it"... So I got creative, there was a pile of meds left over from my dad who had died a couple years before. I popped some Valium, and 3 or 4 other sedatives. I figured this would offset the Adderall. No chance, I called Julio again and told him of my idea, he just laughed at me again!!!
13 hours later it finally wore off, that was the absolute worst 13 hours of my life. Longest and worst time possible. Never again!!! And its a script drug that I have had Doc's offer me since that day. Moral of the story is: Just cause a Doc writes a script dont mean it's ok. Rx drugs are bad too. Period, look at how many people are messed up on pain meds, i was one after 5 back operations, i been off that shit for 4 years.
Roids are ok in very low doses & only if you do regular blood work-but thats another topic. All this "LowT" BS is the same testosterone i have been shooting for 20 some years, now the Govt says its ok to market, BS before the Roid act of 1991 it was legal back then, you tell me the difference(test is test no matter what you call it). I call BS on "Legal or illegal". Drugs are bad shit 90% of the time. I play on the natural because I can.
Legal or illegal dont mean shit!!! that's just the Govt. and lobbyists opinion and they are selling the drugs they want you to buy(their drugs)-thats the only difference. If you buy drugs they arent selling its a crime. Drugs are drugs, anyone stupid enough to think a legal status makes something ok or not ok, is just not informed.
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Actually I know quite well how it works. What I stated is the truth, it's just that you don't like it.
I'm not sure what you are talking about with pills and profit but you realize that if you support doctors being involved in "medical marijuana" you are only supporting them making money off of it, right? Doctors need not be involved at all and the only reason we are is because we got roped into it as a means toward back-door legalization.
Take docs out of the loop and legalize it. Why involve us at all?
Why you cite the profiteering of the pharm industry is a mystery. Docs don't make money off of those profits at all.
The issue here is that I know all too well how it works. In other words "substantially lacking in understanding."
Oh...and I teach doctors about this stuff at the professional level and also do medicolegal consulting. It is my profession. As a matter of fulfilling my oath it is my sworn duty to inform you that you are incorrect in this matter since it is a matter of public health and you are disseminating incorrect information. :wink:
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Doc you ignorant slut .
There I hope that made you feel better.
I enjoyed it.:grin:
Tell your wife and kids I said hello.
I (think) some drugs might enhance your game for a short time.
Non olympic sports, billiards or pool #1 for drug and alcohol abuse.........
If I remember right something like 60% of pool players .
I think I read this in 2007 or 2008.
I cannot remember what sport took 2 place for abuse might of been bowling but pool took first by a land slide. :woot:
Doc happy new
MMike
The wife says "hi"!
She also said you should stop talking dirty to me.
Bowlers get high? If I had to bowl I would need to get high. :grin-square:
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i took the Adderall almost every day for about 10 years. In the beginning I went to a shrink to get it because of the prescription laws in Texas. It was about as easy as 1-2-3!
They helped for a while and I justified it to myself as helping with Focus.
After a while I wore myself out with them. It got so bad i could not remember if I had slept or not.
in the old days the white crosses were very popular among the pool scene. I watched Craig Stevens take 32 of those one night at one time and feared his head would explode. I almost convinced myself sparks were coming from his scalp.
They seemed to help some but only for a short period. Those who abused them or the ones I knew who abused them, paid dearly in the long run.
I tend to agree with Eric, the crap is no good and when abused which most eventually do, it will bite you in the end.
Cleaning carpet with tweezers ain't that much fun!
As a former substance abuser I would drink until it began to adversely affect my game then I would go to the bathroom and do a big bump of crank or crank/coke and then go shoot lights out like a freaking maniac.
After I quit I could still shoot lights out just minus the maniac part.
Chemicals are not the way to go. They may enhance your game at first but then you pay a steep price and end up using them just to get 'even' since the high doesn't really exist anymore.
After I quit I could still shoot lights out just minus the maniac part.
Chemicals are not the way to go. They may enhance your game at first but then you pay a steep price and end up using them just to get 'even' since the high doesn't really exist anymore.
JC
Coos Cues
You stated your opinion which does not make it the truth. I agree doctors should not be involved in the herb form of marijuana at all. But that's all we have currently unless people want to be criminals. I can tell you this though Dr. High Brow. My mother died last June from ovarian cancer at 76. She had her choice of every pain/anxiety relief medication on the market and chose to sit in her rocking chair and smoke dope. It gave her the best level of relief for her symptoms during the pre death bed stage of her condition. Her doctor is not a bottom feeder but a respected professional working for Peacehealth here in Oregon. Her compassion for her patients is something you apparantly need to get further training to understand. I have a sister just like you who also practices for Peacehealth here. She thinks she's so smart but...........
JC
Wow I'd be dead the 3rd day on that stuff. Stimulants DON'T work on me and I got ADD AHDADS%@#%$@... what ever its called-Cant remember?!?!?I'm going to fast right now LOL
seriously yeah drugs are bad action Rx or not, they work up front and bite ppl in the ass at the end of the day.
Its funny I met a guy who was tied up with Xanax real bad, worst experience in his life he told me, he was a pretty sharp guy too. And for me it does almost nothing, I am immune to it(almost). Then I take one pill that you took for years and felt like I was going to die. Point is everyone is different. I took 9 semesters of chem in college and have studied roids for years, i'm not a Dr-however i know enough to get myself in trouble, but not enough to get out of trouble.
I remember hearing Buddy talk about White Crosses and Mike Massey as well. That was just before my time. Its all speed in one form or another. I know a old biker guy at teh tattoo shop who sold them 5,000-10,000 at a time. He told me Seccanal (SP?) was the worst, Again before me. It's funny how drugs are viewed, they stamp out millions of pills, change a law and then new versions or similar of the drugs appear for a few years later.
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This story I can relate,because I saw it first hand.
The first time I saw a big package put together gambling and the first time I ever saw someone do coke other than in a movie was in late 1990 at The Rack in Memphis,and the 2 go hand in hand.
I was just starting to get out and look for better players to learn from,and was going to Mempho a couple times a week. I had a buddy with a similar thirst for education and competition,and he was a little street-wiser than me,so we go down there on this night.
At the time,I really thought Danny Cook was the best bar table in the world.
We were just about to leave,when Gary Lutman came in,all I knew about him was he was supposed to be a solid gambler,but unless he played his best he had slightly the worst of it. We stuck around to see what happened.
Him and Danny wolf for a couple minutes. They agree to an 8 ahead for 500,on Danny's pet bar box.
With a few runouts and solid safeties,Danny wins first set pretty quick. Table time was 2.40/hr with a 1/2 hour minimum,Danny pays the time with a 5.
About that time,they guy that supposedly ran the whole street scene in that part of Memphis came in,no big deal.
I walk away while they are woofing up a 2nd set,and go piss.
The bathroom has a door that opens to the inside,and a big spring to snap it closed. I'm standing at the urinal when Danny comes in,and he backs up against the door so no one can walk in behind him.
He stuck a straw in a golf-ball size wad of coke,and took 1/2 up each side,then turned the baggie inside out and sticks it in his mouth.
I walk back out and pull my roadie off to the side and told him what I just saw,still wondering if we're gonna watch him die shortly,and my homeboy tells me we NEED to try and find someone to bet with taking Danny to win. We find a regular and send ALL we got in.
Danny starts breaking like a dadgum gorilla,with the cue ball coming up 2-3 feet EVERY time,and squatting like it normally did for him back then.
He runs out the whole 8-ahead in around 12 minutes,no bullshit.
He shot the 7th game 9 ball in so hard you heard a bolt break plain as day,to the point the pocket had visibly changed shape.
20 minutes after he came in that bathroom,he might as well have been wearing a cape. Tommy D.
The first time I saw a big package put together gambling and the first time I ever saw someone do coke other than in a movie was in late 1990 at The Rack in Memphis,and the 2 go hand in hand.
I was just starting to get out and look for better players to learn from,and was going to Mempho a couple times a week. I had a buddy with a similar thirst for education and competition,and he was a little street-wiser than me,so we go down there on this night.
At the time,I really thought Danny Cook was the best bar table in the world.
We were just about to leave,when Gary Lutman came in,all I knew about him was he was supposed to be a solid gambler,but unless he played his best he had slightly the worst of it. We stuck around to see what happened.
Him and Danny wolf for a couple minutes. They agree to an 8 ahead for 500,on Danny's pet bar box.
With a few runouts and solid safeties,Danny wins first set pretty quick. Table time was 2.40/hr with a 1/2 hour minimum,Danny pays the time with a 5.
About that time,they guy that supposedly ran the whole street scene in that part of Memphis came in,no big deal.
I walk away while they are woofing up a 2nd set,and go piss.
The bathroom has a door that opens to the inside,and a big spring to snap it closed. I'm standing at the urinal when Danny comes in,and he backs up against the door so no one can walk in behind him.
He stuck a straw in a golf-ball size wad of coke,and took 1/2 up each side,then turned the baggie inside out and sticks it in his mouth.
I walk back out and pull my roadie off to the side and told him what I just saw,still wondering if we're gonna watch him die shortly,and my homeboy tells me we NEED to try and find someone to bet with taking Danny to win. We find a regular and send ALL we got in.
Danny starts breaking like a dadgum gorilla,with the cue ball coming up 2-3 feet EVERY time,and squatting like it normally did for him back then.
He runs out the whole 8-ahead in around 12 minutes,no bullshit.
He shot the 7th game 9 ball in so hard you heard a bolt break plain as day,to the point the pocket had visibly changed shape.
20 minutes after he came in that bathroom,he might as well have been wearing a cape. Tommy D.