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You misspelled freaking.:smile:
With all due respect, Vijay said if he were paired with Annika, he would withdraw from the event. That was his position on a female playing a PGA event, circa 2003, or thereabouts.
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Brian kc
Again, taken completely out of context and a completely different situation. If you don't understand that, do we really need to take it further?
The LPGA are filled with milliionaires. And their worst ranked female professionals are making a good living. The exemption for a female who already at the time was the highest money-making female in the history without having to go through the qualification process made for a fine promotion. But consider that it was the Colonial and that by her exemption into the event, that denied one male golfer the opportunity that he would have had and was qualified (by virtue of the qualification process) to play.
I enjoyed watching Annika play, but Vijay made a good point. For others to take it as chauvanistic is way short-sighted. Same argument can be made by giving exemptions to other non-qualified (one who has never gone through the qualifying processes). For example, Johnny Bench got a sponsorship exemption to a Sr. Tour event. As much as the world loves Johnny Bench, it deservedly raised eyebrows.
But this is a different situation. In this current situation, a press release is given by the organization. Why should I be so arrogant to think what I believe should make a difference in how they decide to release a press statement. Maybe the WPBA pros should have a complaint, but not us. Not just for PC's sake. {edit: the post in question was a quotation from an InsidePOOL Magazine article}
Fred
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Something like billiards, which relies very little on pure power or size or hair length, should not have male or female divisions at all.
There should not be a men only tour, nor should there be a woman only tour.
There should not be a men only tour, nor should there be a woman only tour.
All good points Fred, but from the point of view of the promoters, it made a lot of sense to invite Annika. It brought more media coverage, a larger viewing audience and a bigger gate. I can certainly understand why they did it. Same situation applies now with the U.S. Open. Having women in the field will only add to an already great event.
And if some guy doesn't want to play because of that, then he doesn't have to. One monkey don't stop no show!
Absolutely Jay. Don't get me wrong, I completely applauded Annika playing. I'm just saying that Vijay made a good point that got swept under a rug because it seemingly screamed of chauvinism.
And I certainly applaud the inclusion (or the non discrimination) of women at the US Open.
Fred
The US Open is supposed to be just that...open to anyone. In past years, there have been a number of male players who entered that didn't have a snowball's chance of moving very far through the brackets. Many of those players don't even come close to the level of play of the top ladies. I think opening up the event simply raises the overall skill level of the entire tournament. I would much rather see the likes of Allison, Kelly, Karen, Jasmine, et al, than Harvy Ballbanger filling up the brackets.
Steve
I contacted insidepool via their website's feedback form, giving a concise explanation of the debate and links to the thread and original article.
No response yet. We may never know. I'd love for that person to register on here (if he/she hasn't yet) and address the issue directly.
Maybe if a bunch of people write them about it, they'll respond.
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/contact
You could also register and comment on the article. In fact, maybe someone has. I was too lazy to register but if someone wants to... tell us what sort of comments are already posted, if any.
I will check. Johnnyt
Nope, nothing about this subject in inside pool chat. Not much else going on in it either. Johnnyt
It just matters which "guys" are doing the bickering. You think if Tiger Woods had raised any concerns the PGA wouldn't have had second thoughts?
Same thing here, if JA and/or SVB raised concerns maybe Barry might reconsider.
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I saw a 2010 women's event on ESPN about a month ago on Diamond tables. Boy did they look like B players on those tables. Averaging 3 turns each at the table per rack.
The top 3 women, you know who they are, are terrific, after that other than the up and coming Asian girls there's nothing special there. Every decent room across the contry has an amateur player that beats that field routinely.
Where the hell is the real pool on tv? What is this speed pool crap that I taped again last week off ESPN?
Yesterday I saw a replay of a 1993 match with Archer vs. Sigel to get to the US open 9 ball championships. Amazing match, alternating breaks back and forth ending 11 to 10 Sigel. Matches like that happen at every major event all year long. We need that type of pool on tv, women's pool is going nowhere.
I saw a 2010 women's event on ESPN about a month ago on Diamond tables. Boy did they look like B players on those tables. Averaging 3 turns each at the table per rack.
The top 3 women, you know who they are, are terrific, after that other than the up and coming Asian girls there's nothing special there. Every decent room across the contry has an amateur player that beats that field routinely.
Where the hell is the real pool on tv? What is this speed pool crap that I taped again last week off ESPN?
Yesterday I saw a replay of a 1993 match with Archer vs. Sigel to get to the US open 9 ball championships. Amazing match, alternating breaks back and forth ending 11 to 10 Sigel. Matches like that happen at every major event all year long. We need that type of pool on tv, women's pool is going nowhere.
Whoever approved this for release did a disservice to the WPBA as an organization in my opinion. I could go pick it apart but when I read that press release you what I get out of it as the reader?
"We know we suck but thanks for letting us play with the real players maybe we can learn something."
Which is a horrible statement to make. The WPBA even in the weakened state that it is gives anything the men have done in the last 10 years the 5 ball in terms of organization and promotion. The WPBA should be saying how excited they are to showcase their top talent in competition with the elite in the world. Not apologizing because chances are one of those players will not win. Hell 80% of field has no chance to win man or woman.
I understand about trying to placate the cave men who believe women should not compete with the men. I don't agree with it and think it is entirely the wrong tack to take but I see where they were going with it.
Barry deserves kudos for what he is doing but guess what? The women who play in the event deserve just as much. If someone kept me out of an event for that long I am not real sure I would want to go support it. In this case it is good that both sides have come together to do something that makes it better for everyone.
Man that release was bad. I guess the only saving grace is that it seems not many people read them anyway.
"We know we suck but thanks for letting us play with the real players maybe we can learn something."
Which is a horrible statement to make. The WPBA even in the weakened state that it is gives anything the men have done in the last 10 years the 5 ball in terms of organization and promotion. The WPBA should be saying how excited they are to showcase their top talent in competition with the elite in the world. Not apologizing because chances are one of those players will not win. Hell 80% of field has no chance to win man or woman.
I understand about trying to placate the cave men who believe women should not compete with the men. I don't agree with it and think it is entirely the wrong tack to take but I see where they were going with it.
Barry deserves kudos for what he is doing but guess what? The women who play in the event deserve just as much. If someone kept me out of an event for that long I am not real sure I would want to go support it. In this case it is good that both sides have come together to do something that makes it better for everyone.
Man that release was bad. I guess the only saving grace is that it seems not many people read them anyway.
Say what you will about the women but the speed of play is not even a factor when it comes to getting something on TV. That requires organization and direction. Something the women have been able to do for a respectable amount of time.
You dig up Mosconi have him play Greenleaf and ESPN wouldnt even answer your phone call. To bastardize a familiar saying "Pool on TV is not about excellent pool. It is about producing TV ."