WPBA why top players were gay?
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i think there are two basic ways of looking at this question:
1) women's sports at the highest levels *seem* to be dominated by women who choose an alternate lifestyle, why is that?
2) the average man is threatened by women who are as good as or better than they are at any sport, therefore they ascribe them to the (somewhat derogatory, at least in more base society) designation of lesbian, or in more severe cases dyke or butch, why is that?
here are my thoughts:
1) having been friends with a lesbian couple for most of the last 15 years, i have seen first hand that many players in the ABL (that failed league which was opposite the WNBA) were undeclared lesbians and could be found after the game at the lesbian bar coupling up. however, there are clearly many female pro players in all sports who have long standing hetero relationships, so my question would be is the proportion of lesbian players actually higher in pro athletes than the general population? i would guess it might be higher, but it is clearly not requisite to be a top flight pro.
2) i think this is probably very prevalent. it is easier to hate or dislike someone when they are part of another group... what easier way to dismiss getting beat by a woman than for a man to blow her off as "somesort of lesbian, or summin:"?
1) women's sports at the highest levels *seem* to be dominated by women who choose an alternate lifestyle, why is that?
2) the average man is threatened by women who are as good as or better than they are at any sport, therefore they ascribe them to the (somewhat derogatory, at least in more base society) designation of lesbian, or in more severe cases dyke or butch, why is that?
here are my thoughts:
1) having been friends with a lesbian couple for most of the last 15 years, i have seen first hand that many players in the ABL (that failed league which was opposite the WNBA) were undeclared lesbians and could be found after the game at the lesbian bar coupling up. however, there are clearly many female pro players in all sports who have long standing hetero relationships, so my question would be is the proportion of lesbian players actually higher in pro athletes than the general population? i would guess it might be higher, but it is clearly not requisite to be a top flight pro.
2) i think this is probably very prevalent. it is easier to hate or dislike someone when they are part of another group... what easier way to dismiss getting beat by a woman than for a man to blow her off as "somesort of lesbian, or summin:"?
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I am not interested in commenting on the subject of the thread but want to explain the error in your comparison. Brunettes are the largest category group. By pure random dispersion it is highly likely that at least five of the ten would be brunette. The occurance of 7 out of 10 would be no more rare than drawing a couple consecutive red cards from a deck. An eye color correlation showing more than half to show a certain color might be a beeter example but this ten is also not a large sample size and half or more likely have the same eye color.
Regardless of whether there is a homosexual/pool ability correlation, your comparison is very flawed. Assuming less than 20% of the population is gay, this would be like getting more blue gumballs from a machine than all others combined. I fully believe if there is a correlation it is driven by socio-economic and cultural forces rather than genetics or physicality.
Can you translate this to Norwegian please?
I think it's a good question. As good as any. And whatever I ever bellieved 10 years ago, I think it's the continued discussion by rational people that have swayed my thoughts over the years. This also includes the "woman vs man" continued argument. And really, they seem to have the same question/answers.
There are three or four good answers in this thread. You've seen them. I think you could have done a lot worse.
In the end, a lesbian woman is a lesbian because she's a lesbian. A woman is a top flight player because of talent, dedication and hard work. The study of why there might be a higher percentage of top flilght women players that are lesbian vs the percentage of the population of women that are lesbians should be left to the psychologists, psychiatrists, and whoever else can get paid for such studies. For the rest of us, it's just an interesting thought that really doesn't mean much.
I think a more interesting study is the study of Northampton, MA which at one point (and possibly still) has the highest percentage of lesbians of any city. Maybe the answers lie in Northampton.
Fred
Ok roy...I'll give it a try. Here ya go.........Kan du oversette denne til norsk behage
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A very unfair double standard going on
Melissa,
How come any time anyone brings up ANY question about homosexuality, no matter how hard they try to be "politically correct", there's always someone who cries foul! Or, as you just did, "I maintain you are insulting...." Why is it ever thus???
Let's just put this to rest by saying it is what it is. There is no way in the world this can ever be discussed because if anyone who is straight says ANYTHING that is not 100% in agreement with the "alternative lifestyle", they are either homophobes, "insulting", rude, ignorant, etc, etc, etc ad nausum.
THAT is what's not fair about this whole issue. It's a one way street. Either agree with it 100% or don't dare say anything, cause the fingers will point.
What is insulting is that what was once considered to be a grievous sin by some (and according to the Bible, it still is) is now SHOVED down everybodies throat. It's a "take it or don't dare utter anything about it" enviroment nowadays. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
You have your opinion. I have mine. A vocal few insist the "alternative lifestyle" is supposed to be welcome with open arms, if not embraced wholeheartedly and accepted by everyone. But, when someone else disagrees with that, then they're archaic bigots. Why are those who object to all this PC any less worthy of respect? Those who advocate respecting the feelings of homosexuals should just as equally advocate respecting the feelings on heterosexuals. Anything less is a blatant double standard. Right?
And this is not meant as an attack against you Melissa. You have had and still do have my admiration and respect for being the person you are. But remember, everybody who doesn't believe just like the minority is not always insulting, rude or ignorant. They just believe something opposite. And just as strongly as those who say wrong is right.
I'm just so tired of all the bashing of non-homosexuals by those who push so hard that this alternative lifestyle MUST be accepted with no questions asked and no opinions given. Any questions, then you are labeled as a bigot.
I don't oppose those who choose to be homosexual. I don't understand it, but I have no right to change or even challenge someone's choice. What I do oppose is that anyone who doesn't understand, or disagrees with, or even dares question anything about homosexuality is labeled as insensitive or worse. No matter how delicately they try to say something, they will still get bashed for being narrow minded religious zealots or something along those lines. That's the truth. Anytime this subject is brought up, a very vocal few are just waiting to pounce on whoever it is that does not jump up and down and clap for joy when someone is advocating that those in the homosexual community are "untouchables" as far as anybody questioning that lifestyle goes.
I have a couple of people who I count as dear friends and who I respect greatly here at AZB who are involved in alternative lifestyles. They are easy to get along with because they're not militant and aggressive about their choices.
And for what it's worth, I also oppose muslims building anything that close to where the towers once stood. It's as right as building a shrine to Hitler near the WW2 death camps where millions of Jewish men, women and children were exterminated.
It's come to the point that we're all forced to believe the exact same way about everything controversial or else be branded as being a narrow minded bigoted racist. Not fair.
Lastly, in your post you mention "gay couples have children". How messed up do you think those kids are going to be when they grow up? Think about what they'll go thru in life.
By the way, can you expalin to us why it is that a gay couple can not conceive children of their own? I mean, it's so right and normal and all.
But nature prevents anything like that from ever happening. I wonder why?
Melissa,
How come any time anyone brings up ANY question about homosexuality, no matter how hard they try to be "politically correct", there's always someone who cries foul! Or, as you just did, "I maintain you are insulting...." Why is it ever thus???
Let's just put this to rest by saying it is what it is. There is no way in the world this can ever be discussed because if anyone who is straight says ANYTHING that is not 100% in agreement with the "alternative lifestyle", they are either homophobes, "insulting", rude, ignorant, etc, etc, etc ad nausum.
THAT is what's not fair about this whole issue. It's a one way street. Either agree with it 100% or don't dare say anything, cause the fingers will point.
What is insulting is that what was once considered to be a grievous sin by some (and according to the Bible, it still is) is now SHOVED down everybodies throat. It's a "take it or don't dare utter anything about it" enviroment nowadays. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
You have your opinion. I have mine. A vocal few insist the "alternative lifestyle" is supposed to be welcome with open arms, if not embraced wholeheartedly and accepted by everyone. But, when someone else disagrees with that, then they're archaic bigots. Why are those who object to all this PC any less worthy of respect? Those who advocate respecting the feelings of homosexuals should just as equally advocate respecting the feelings on heterosexuals. Anything less is a blatant double standard. Right?
And this is not meant as an attack against you Melissa. You have had and still do have my admiration and respect for being the person you are. But remember, everybody who doesn't believe just like the minority is not always insulting, rude or ignorant. They just believe something opposite. And just as strongly as those who say wrong is right.
I'm just so tired of all the bashing of non-homosexuals by those who push so hard that this alternative lifestyle MUST be accepted with no questions asked and no opinions given. Any questions, then you are labeled as a bigot.
I don't oppose those who choose to be homosexual. I don't understand it, but I have no right to change or even challenge someone's choice. What I do oppose is that anyone who doesn't understand, or disagrees with, or even dares question anything about homosexuality is labeled as insensitive or worse. No matter how delicately they try to say something, they will still get bashed for being narrow minded religious zealots or something along those lines. That's the truth. Anytime this subject is brought up, a very vocal few are just waiting to pounce on whoever it is that does not jump up and down and clap for joy when someone is advocating that those in the homosexual community are "untouchables" as far as anybody questioning that lifestyle goes.
I have a couple of people who I count as dear friends and who I respect greatly here at AZB who are involved in alternative lifestyles. They are easy to get along with because they're not militant and aggressive about their choices.
And for what it's worth, I also oppose muslims building anything that close to where the towers once stood. It's as right as building a shrine to Hitler near the WW2 death camps where millions of Jewish men, women and children were exterminated.
It's come to the point that we're all forced to believe the exact same way about everything controversial or else be branded as being a narrow minded bigoted racist. Not fair.
Lastly, in your post you mention "gay couples have children". How messed up do you think those kids are going to be when they grow up? Think about what they'll go thru in life.
By the way, can you expalin to us why it is that a gay couple can not conceive children of their own? I mean, it's so right and normal and all.
But nature prevents anything like that from ever happening. I wonder why?
Nope . . . but being blonde is a handicap . . .
I just did the finger length test. Boy, am I ever relieved.
Its like I told a guy in the pool hall last week before I just about showed him where the door was. Don't worry about what I do, only worry about what you do. Its all about me, I could care less what others do, as long as I conduct myself according to Terry's rules.
Its like I told a guy in the pool hall last week before I just about showed him where the door was. Don't worry about what I do, only worry about what you do. Its all about me, I could care less what others do, as long as I conduct myself according to Terry's rules.
To answer the op's question. The woman's sexual preference has nothing to do with her pool playing abilities. But i also think the post was a little out of line when refering to players names.
This guy just yust outed the lesbians
To spot a lesbian pro she could have short hair or long hair
She could be a brunette or sometimes a blonde
Many are short but some are tall
But the #1 sign you might have seen a pro lesbian is she will never ever have a house cue but some sort of cue with a sweet endorsment deal far superior to that the of the men
Hope this helps
To spot a lesbian pro she could have short hair or long hair
She could be a brunette or sometimes a blonde
Many are short but some are tall
But the #1 sign you might have seen a pro lesbian is she will never ever have a house cue but some sort of cue with a sweet endorsment deal far superior to that the of the men
Hope this helps
Don't go there. i'd bet a few of 'em are batting for the other team but sizing 'em up by their looks is a slippery slope.
mlalum
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I think Melissa made a thoughtful, reasoned and non-aggressive reply to a
question that didn't really deserve one. Thank you for your input Terry however I find it offensive in it's lack of thoughtfulness and reason. You probably should have kept this between you and your dinosaur.
you just don't want to own up to your hair being a contributing factor to how well you play
!!!!!!!!!!lolto stay on topic i'm not going to comment on the gays having children. but i want to
I can tell you who it doesn't offend ............ME
Why would it ?
You can talk about Gays , Lesbians , Bi and Trans sexual s
It usually just offends ......... certain people .
Now when you talk about non typing rednecks .... That is another thing :slap:
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Why would it ?
You can talk about Gays , Lesbians , Bi and Trans sexual s
It usually just offends ......... certain people .
Now when you talk about non typing rednecks .... That is another thing :slap:
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Melissa, while i agree with you on most everything you stated, the only thing i was looking for was why in the past 10 years or so they were better then straight women. I'm sure straight women practice just as hard.
The question might be silly because it really can't be explained.But figured i would throw it out there. Maybe for the next 10 years it will switch around or become more equal.
Like i stated earlier i wasn't trying to offend because i don't care what people do behind closed doors. Nuff said.
Why does there have to be any corolation between one and the other. Sexual orientation and pool skills are two completely different things.
Maybe it's just coincidence....or maybe it's just perception.
Look at many of the players throughout the history of the game. Ewa, Jeanette, Lori Jon, all at the top of their field in their time, and their sexual orientation had nothing to do with their ability. Why would it be any different today? I strongly suspect that what they do in the privacy of their own homes has absolutely nothing to do with how well they play pool.
The two, IMO, are completely unrelated.
Steve
Coincidence could indeed be the word of the day, and therefore the answer to your question, Bob.
Bob you asked a question and you deserve a answer. You asked, "Why do you think the top women players are gay." I think the answer to that is obvious, "They are gay because they were born gay. They didn't really have a choice. They were created that way." Now you might ask why were they born that way? That is a little more difficult to answer and I don't think anyone really knows why certain people are predisposed to homosexuality.
Maybe in God's infinite plan, it's His way to control population growth. Who knows? I sure don't. Now what does all this have to do with pool? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! I would contend that you don't have to be gay to be a great player. And if you're gay that's not a prerequisite for greatness either. I'm sure many gay women have tried to be good pool players and didn't make the grade.
My point being that this is a fallacious argument with no real grounds for making any sort of determination one way or the other. There have been great women athletes in all sports who were straight and there have some who were gay. I just don't think it makes a difference one way or the other.
Many of the women players (including the champions) are friends of mine, and I value their friendship very much. They are among the finest people I have met in all my years in the pool world. Am I to gather that because they are gay they are somehow better people than many straight people I know. That argument could be made following the line of reasoning offered above, that gay women are more often better people than non gay women. See how silly that sounds. I rest my case.
Personally, in my determination of the things I value in a friend, the issue of their sexuality is way down on the list. It is basically a non issue. I'm going to drop one name here because everyone in the pool world knows her. Allision Fisher is as fine a human being as I've ever met in my life - ANYWHERE! If she never made another ball, I would think the world of her.
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