I finally have the reason why I am always shooting off the rail!:embarrassed2:
Archer's View on Diamond tables
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I finally have the reason why I am always shooting off the rail!:embarrassed2:
is there a youtube video of the missed shot?
Using the same cloth on a slate table properly setup it isn't going to matter what table brand this happens on. I'd like him to explain how it happens that it is Diamonds fault.
And exactly what angle would that be? Brunswick uses a wider angle than Diamond does, and the wider the angle is, the more the ball will bounce back and forth in the jaws of the pocket...did you know that? So, Diamond should change their pocket angles and make them easier for players like you?...hmmmm....I guess they could make them bigger upon request...you looking to order a new Diamond...one you can make balls on?:grin:
Wow, this is an awful lot to do about nothing imo.
I watched the missed shot and that's what it was. A missed shot.
Geeez he hit it hard and it wasn't much of a cut. How many skids occur at that speed contacting the object ball that full.
None I ever seen.
Bottom line is probably Caddilac's and Lincoln's have been called junk by somebody somewhere sometime.
No biggy !
I watched the missed shot and that's what it was. A missed shot.
Geeez he hit it hard and it wasn't much of a cut. How many skids occur at that speed contacting the object ball that full.
None I ever seen.
Bottom line is probably Caddilac's and Lincoln's have been called junk by somebody somewhere sometime.
No biggy !
I think skid was on the grassy knoll!
Kidding aside, could it be that the cloth is actually getting stretched too tight in some cases, reducing it's friction?
Kidding aside, could it be that the cloth is actually getting stretched too tight in some cases, reducing it's friction?
Thanks for the video. I doubt he used inside english, but he hit it harder than he needed to. When he set it up and shot it a second time he hit it softer.
I'll take his word for it that there was a skid but I don't see any on the video. It looks like he just hit it too hard and caught the point.
Still a nice run.
IMHO, it makes zero sense that the table can cause more skids unless the slate is different.....otherwise, same felt/ball/humidity conditions should yield the exact same results, at least regarding the skidding issue....methinks it's mumbo-jumbo....
I played on an older Diamond pro with worn out felt....my only complaints were the rails banking short and the fact that a ball run down the rail on that felt/pocket combination could NOT be hit at speed.....anything close to firm pace down the rail spit the ball, even with english, would jaw.....
I like Diamonds and appreciate their company.....I like my old Bruswick, but I'd trade it for a Diamond one-piece pro in a second, even if it does bank short :grin:
I played on an older Diamond pro with worn out felt....my only complaints were the rails banking short and the fact that a ball run down the rail on that felt/pocket combination could NOT be hit at speed.....anything close to firm pace down the rail spit the ball, even with english, would jaw.....
I like Diamonds and appreciate their company.....I like my old Bruswick, but I'd trade it for a Diamond one-piece pro in a second, even if it does bank short :grin:
I'll tell you this.... When i was playing at the TS 2 weeks ago i had a tricky little cut in the side on the 7 ball and had to use a ton of inside top right to hold position for the 8 ball in the corner and guess what... I hit it great but the ball frickin skidded!!!! :angry: Thus leaving him the easy out. I was down 6-7 in a race to 9 when this happened so instead of a 7-7 tie it was him on the hill. Fortunetly he had a BRB right after that to close me out 9-6 
Am i a little upset?? Maybe but shit happens.
Oh and Johnny... I not for or against Diamonds but ill tell you this... I understand :frown:
Am i a little upset?? Maybe but shit happens.
Oh and Johnny... I not for or against Diamonds but ill tell you this... I understand :frown:
This thread is too funny. 9000 hits and climbing. But I guess it's a good thing if it pushes the aiming threads back a little. Johnnyt
But, does using CTE cause the ball to skid more? What about BHE?
*ducks and runs for cover*
Brian
I'll tell you this.... When i was playing at the TS 2 weeks ago i had a tricky little cut in the side on the 7 ball and had to use a ton of inside top right to hold position for the 8 ball in the corner and guess what... I hit it great but the ball frickin skidded!!!! :angry: Thus leaving him the easy out. I was down 6-7 in a race to 9 when this happened so instead of a 7-7 tie it was him on the hill. Fortunetly he had a BRB right after that to close me out 9-6
Am i a little upset?? Maybe but shit happens.
Oh and Johnny... I not for or against Diamonds but ill tell you this... I understand :frown:
Been there !
If you could do it over, slow roll it using running english. Ball goes in and you stay in the side pocket area. Thats where you gotta be right ! ?
You were slow rolling right ? then no need for inside. Thats just asking for trouble imho.
No the problem was i couldnt slow roll it otherwise i would have. I had to hit it a little harder to hold the position on the 8. The cut was about a 1/8 of the ball and if i glanced off a couple or rails i would have drifted out to the middle of the table with the 8 ball resting on the rail near the first diamond. Plus this was the first day of the tournament and the cloth was brand spanking new so i opted to use english to retard the cueball. I took about a solid 2 minutes to shoot this shot... Thats how many options i had to choose from.
I hit the thing perfect with the right amount of speed and english to get the shape i needed. One MAJOR problem here... The balls slid instead of rolling into the side
No the problem was i couldnt slow roll it otherwise i would have. I had to hit it a little harder to hold the position on the 8. The cut was about a 1/8 of the ball and if i glanced off a couple or rails i would have drifted out to the middle of the table with the 8 ball resting on the rail near the first diamond. Plus this was the first day of the tournament and the cloth was brand spanking new so i opted to use english to retard the cueball. I took about a solid 2 minutes to shoot this shot... Thats how many options i had to choose from.
I hit the thing perfect with the right amount of speed and english to get the shape i needed. One MAJOR problem here... The balls slid instead of rolling into the side
Oh ok I thought you just had to stay put !
Hmmmm
Neil, consider yourself lucky getting ignored by "shrimpy". He likes to troll and never has anything positive to say about anything. And its quite obvious to everyone that he said "anyone" could spot you the five, but then you called his bluff, and all of sudden he backtracks. So it appears that not "everyone" can you spot you the five, not EVEN him !! LMAO
For the record, I will give you the 5, but you would have to give me the 2 !!
PS: Guys, this is a sport. Playing conditions are not the same as in a sterile operating room. Heck, anyone ever see a bad bounce in baseball? Or missed field goal due to wind, or a bad bounce angle off the outfield wall? It happens, and will continue too. Even the major leagues do not "drag" the infield after every inning. Play the game, and let chips fall where they may. RJ
You want to sit here and tell everyone how they should play and how they are wrong when they can spot you the 5 out.
The part in blue is your statement also. I'm not the only one that took it the way you said it. As to your other statement, I don't even play in leagues, and your part after that, well..... that's just plain ludicrous. If you don't think I can play at all, and you think my advice that I freely give on here is B.S., then please put me on ignore.
I'm 56 and can't even read the numbers on the balls anymore. But, I can still play a little.
Sorry guys about the derailment, just trying to set the record straight a little.
Neil, consider yourself lucky getting ignored by "shrimpy". He likes to troll and never has anything positive to say about anything. And its quite obvious to everyone that he said "anyone" could spot you the five, but then you called his bluff, and all of sudden he backtracks. So it appears that not "everyone" can you spot you the five, not EVEN him !! LMAO
For the record, I will give you the 5, but you would have to give me the 2 !!
PS: Guys, this is a sport. Playing conditions are not the same as in a sterile operating room. Heck, anyone ever see a bad bounce in baseball? Or missed field goal due to wind, or a bad bounce angle off the outfield wall? It happens, and will continue too. Even the major leagues do not "drag" the infield after every inning. Play the game, and let chips fall where they may. RJ
Well I decided to buy an iron spike and some braided copper wire.
I am going to ground my GC frame. I am sure I will not miss another ball due to static cling.
I am going to ground my GC frame. I am sure I will not miss another ball due to static cling.
I agree, that doesn't make sense to me either. If the cloth is stretched too tight, I guess it could cause a skid to occur, but my bet is the balls are the issue. My question is are the pocket marks the cause of the skid?
I love the Diamond tables. They play great in my opinion! I would love a chance to play on a Diamond that Glenn has Cobra-tweaked. :thumbup:
I'll tell you this.... When i was playing at the TS 2 weeks ago i had a tricky little cut in the side on the 7 ball and had to use a ton of inside top right to hold position for the 8 ball in the corner and guess what... I hit it great but the ball frickin skidded!!!! :angry: Thus leaving him the easy out. I was down 6-7 in a race to 9 when this happened so instead of a 7-7 tie it was him on the hill. Fortunetly he had a BRB right after that to close me out 9-6
Am i a little upset?? Maybe but shit happens.
Oh and Johnny... I not for or against Diamonds but ill tell you this... I understand :frown:
Just between you and me....it's not the table...and it's not the cloth....so what does that leave you with?
Just between you and me....it's not the table...and it's not the cloth....so what does that leave you with?
I always use the 'ol humidity excuse, it integrates all factors except me.:smile:
Blame it on the rain......yeah, yeah