Frank "Sailor" Stellman

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Just a note on my recent trip to visit Frank "Sailor" Stellman in Racine, Wisconsin. Noted cuemaker, player, and instructor. I spent a day with him; not sure I will ever view pool the same way again. Even at age 84, he has a love for the game, so all-consuming that I question whether anyone on this forum has even half of his enthusiasm. He is the epitome of the "pool fanatic" that many on here consider themselves.

I travelled there with Mark Wilson (pro player, instructor, commentator); who, along with many great players like Jeff Carter, Dallas West, and George Pawelski; credits Sailor with helping them achieve proficiency. Sailor was a HUGELY influential figure in the straight pool community, but is so modest and unassuming that he will take no credit for it. He is ALL about love of the game, doing what is best for the game, and PROMOTING EXCELLENCE. In his view there is a progression among players from PARTICIPATOR to POOL BUFF to PURIST. While he wants to promote the game at all of those levels, unless you are a "PURIST", I'm doubtful Sailor will have a very high estimation of you.

His old pool hall (now closed) was a mecca for the serious players. A place where excellence was valued and promoted. Two special tables reserved, one for "50 ball runners", and one for "100 ball runners." Plaques with the prominently named players who belonged to the "50 Ball Runners Club" and the "100 Ball Runners Club." Even one for the "25 Ball Runners Club." Local players would spare no expense or effort to belong to one of those elite "clubs."

Once his pool hall closed, Sailor had only his cuemaking shop. If he liked you, he would build you a cue that he thought you needed (rather than what you ordered:smile:). If he REALLY liked you, he would try to give it to you with no payment. If he didn't like you, your money would just be returned or refused.

A host of great local players would play on his shop table every day, while Sailor labored over his cues and kept an eye on their play. If you were not a 100 ball runner, you would most likely feel WAY too embarrassed to ever play on that shop table under the watchful eye of all the great players hanging around. After he finished the cuemaking work; Sailor would manicure the table and balls lovingly and painstakingly so that conditions were perfect for the night's play - then he would play or watch the feature matches in the shop. In the early morning, all the players would head to the local all night restaurant where EVERYONE waited eagerly for Sailor to break out the napkins and begin diagramming the shots and situations he had observed during the day - giving the players the benefit of his incredible straight pool knowledge.

When Sailor was a young man, fresh out of the Navy; he dedicated himself to improving his pool game - he was obsessed by the game. He played at least 600 points of straight pool EVERY SINGLE DAY for 8-10 years (he can't remember exactly). He initially carved a little notch (like a gunfighter) on his cue every time he ran 100 balls. He stopped after EIGHT HUNDRED NOTCHES because he was running 100 every day - training himself to do it in 3 tries or less.

Sailor will not tell anyone his high run (he says only 3 people saw it, 2 are in the grave, and one has a foot in it....says high runs are not important). He has many witnessed 300 ball runs - Mark saw him run 100 and out in 3 consecutive games...his opponent quit before Sailor could try for 4:smile:.

Fortunately, I did receive the opportunity to play some 14.1 on Sailor's table against Mark, with Sailor watching (he has a walking cast on one foot and can't play). There was no mistaking the enthusiasm and love he still has for the game - any great shot was rewarded with his effusive praise.

You could tell from the day long reminiscences that Mark Wilson was incredibly grateful for the chance to have been included in the clique of great players around Sailor. He has forgotten more about straight pool than I will probably ever know. While his surroundings are modest, cluttered, and chaotic; there is NO mistaking true pool greatness when you see it. Sailor is truly one of a kind; one of the few old school masters left.

I am truly grateful for the chance to spend some time with him; it has opened my eyes to the extreme amount of dedication and sacrifice necessary if you wish to master this very demanding game. It is more than most of us realize; and it is more than almost all of us are willing to give. It just happens to be necessary though if we wish to achieve greatness.
 
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Very nice story Willie! I'd love to spend a day with Sailor sometime and swap stories about pool players and cuemakers.

Sherm
 
What pool room/city does this "Sailor" fellow frequent? Thank you for describing a most interesting pool enthusiast!
 
WBM...GREAT post! I envy your opportunities to spend time with some of the great players you have had the benefit of spending time with. Sailor dovetails nicely into that group. You have to be amassing a great deal of 14.1 knowledge with the trips you make! I still haven't been to Betmore's Basement, but I know, as someone with the love for the game that I have, that coming there at least once is a necessity! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
What a wonderful post by Williebetmore.
I knew of him as 'The Sailor from Racine'.
I've been to Racine to pick up O'Neil pool cases.
Mr O'Neil wanted me to meet the Sailor but he was out of town that day.

I lent my Sailor cue to someone going to Vegas....
..never saw it again...just another thing that stayed in Vegas...:angry:
 
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I will echo my appreciation for your great post, WBM.

A while back I had a Sailor cue with his trademark bell bottom butt cap. Played really nice.

I never knew much about him other than that he made nice cues.

Thank you for opening my eyes to some of the other aspects of this, obviously, very talented and enthusiastic man. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc
 
A while back I had a Sailor cue with his trademark bell bottom butt cap. Played really nice.

I never knew much about him other than that he made nice cues.


Brian kc

B-man,
I saw some very nice cues; he was ALL about the playability. Minor cosmetic imperfections did not bother him...in fact, he thought the very best cues necessarily have a few flaws.

In addition, he was probably the very first cue maker in the world to do custom fitting - making different length cues for players depending on their height and arm length; and adjusting shaft and butt diameters for specific hand sizes. He learned a lot from Herman Rambow and Ed Lobby (?spelling?); but the custom fitting was all his idea. I'm quite surprised so few cue makers do this nowadays (Mike Durbin and Sailor are the only 2 I know of who do).

Of interest, the table in his shop has a carefully drawn miniature anchor for the head spot.
 
The Sailor

Your post was eminently worthy of the man, Willie, and that's the highest praise I can think of. As a smidgen of my thanks on Sailor's behalf, this is how the late Eddie Laube spelled his name. GF
 
WBM...GREAT post! I envy your opportunities to spend time with some of the great players you have had the benefit of spending time with. Sailor dovetails nicely into that group. You have to be amassing a great deal of 14.1 knowledge with the trips you make! I still haven't been to Betmore's Basement, but I know, as someone with the love for the game that I have, that coming there at least once is a necessity! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,
I'll try to post another thread about some of the specifics that Sailor imparted regarding practice, competition, and general ball striking. VERY illuminating for students of the game...this guy has studied pool with every fiber of his being.
 
Nice, I too had spent time with him as a young man during the 60's and got some playing tips and he also made me a cuestick with his monikered flaired butt plate. Glad to see he's still up and running and sounds like he could still tell me more about our acquaintance than I. WI people, like my cousins are highly interactive/engaging midwwestern folks, small town as always. No better place to be in the 90 days of summer than Wisconsin. thx for the memories, + old style beer, still dislike the new look of the can.
 
Just a note on my recent trip to visit Frank "Sailor" Stellman in Racine, Wisconsin. Noted cuemaker, player, and instructor. I spent a day with him; not sure I will ever view pool the same way again. Even at age 84, he has a love for the game, so all-consuming that I question whether anyone on this forum has even half of his enthusiasm. He is the epitome of the "pool fanatic" that many on here consider themselves.

I travelled there with Mark Wilson (pro player, instructor, commentator); who, along with many great players like Jeff Carter, Dallas West, and George Pawelski; credits Sailor with helping them achieve proficiency. Sailor was a HUGELY influential figure in the straight pool community, but is so modest and unassuming that he will take no credit for it. He is ALL about love of the game, doing what is best for the game, and PROMOTING EXCELLENCE. In his view there is a progression among players from PARTICIPATOR to POOL BUFF to PURIST. While he wants to promote the game at all of those levels, unless you are a "PURIST", I'm doubtful Sailor will have a very high estimation of you.

His old pool hall (now closed) was a mecca for the serious players. A place where excellence was valued and promoted. Two special tables reserved, one for "50 ball runners", and one for "100 ball runners." Plaques with the prominently named players who belonged to the "50 Ball Runners Club" and the "100 Ball Runners Club." Even one for the "25 Ball Runners Club." Local players would spare no expense or effort to belong to one of those elite "clubs."

Once his pool hall closed, Sailor had only his cuemaking shop. If he liked you, he would build you a cue that he thought you needed (rather than what you ordered:smile:). If he REALLY liked you, he would try to give it to you with no payment. If he didn't like you, your money would just be returned or refused.

A host of great local players would play on his shop table every day, while Sailor labored over his cues and kept an eye on their play. If you were not a 100 ball runner, you would most likely feel WAY too embarrassed to ever play on that shop table under the watchful eye of all the great players hanging around. After he finished the cuemaking work; Sailor would manicure the table and balls lovingly and painstakingly so that conditions were perfect for the night's play - then he would play or watch the feature matches in the shop. In the early morning, all the players would head to the local all night restaurant where EVERYONE waited eagerly for Sailor to break out the napkins and begin diagramming the shots and situations he had observed during the day - giving the players the benefit of his incredible straight pool knowledge.

When Sailor was a young man, fresh out of the Navy; he dedicated himself to improving his pool game - he was obsessed by the game. He played at least 600 points of straight pool EVERY SINGLE DAY for 8-10 years (he can't remember exactly). He initially carved a little notch (like a gunfighter) on his cue every time he ran 100 balls. He stopped after EIGHT HUNDRED NOTCHES because he was running 100 every day - training himself to do it in 3 tries or less.

Sailor will not tell anyone his high run (he says only 3 people saw it, 2 are in the grave, and one has a foot in it....says high runs are not important). He has many witnessed 300 ball runs - Mark saw him run 100 and out in 3 consecutive games...his opponent quit before Sailor could try for 4:smile:.

Fortunately, I did receive the opportunity to play some 14.1 on Sailor's table against Mark, with Sailor watching (he has a walking cast on one foot and can't play). There was no mistaking the enthusiasm and love he still has for the game - any great shot was rewarded with his effusive praise.

You could tell from the day long reminiscences that Mark Wilson was incredibly grateful for the chance to have been included in the clique of great players around Sailor. He has forgotten more about straight pool than I will probably ever know. While his surroundings are modest, cluttered, and chaotic; there is NO mistaking true pool greatness when you see it. Sailor is truly one of a kind; one of the few old school masters left.

I am truly grateful for the chance to spend some time with him; it has opened my eyes to the extreme amount of dedication and sacrifice necessary if you wish to master this very demanding game. It is more than most of us realize; and it is more than almost all of us are willing to give. It just happens to be necessary though if we wish to achieve greatness.

Thank you for the great morning read. I enjoy threads like this. Since there is truly not a well-documented pool archives from days gone by, I crave reading pool tales likes this.

You're a good writer. Keep 'em coming. I look forward to more! :cool:
 
Sailor

Just a note on my recent trip to visit Frank "Sailor" Stellman in Racine, Wisconsin. Noted cuemaker, player, and instructor. I spent a day with him; not sure I will ever view pool the same way again. Even at age 84, he has a love for the game, so all-consuming that I question whether anyone on this forum has even half of his enthusiasm. He is the epitome of the "pool fanatic" that many on here consider themselves.

I travelled there with Mark Wilson (pro player, instructor, commentator); who, along with many great players like Jeff Carter, Dallas West, and George Pawalski, credits Sailor with helping them achieve proficiency. Sailor was a HUGELY influential figure in the straight pool community, but is so modest and unassuming that he will take no credit for it. He is ALL about love of the game, doing what is best for the game, and PROMOTING EXCELLENCE. In his view there is a progression among players from PARTICIPATOR to POOL BUFF to PURIST. While he wants to promote the game at all of those levels, unless you are a "PURIST", I'm doubtful Sailor will have a very high estimation of you.

His old pool hall (now closed) was a mecca for the serious players. A place where excellence was valued and promoted. Two special tables reserved, one for "50 ball runners", and one for "100 ball runners." Plaques with the prominently named players who belonged to the "50 Ball Runners Club" and the "100 Ball Runners Club." Even one for the "25 Ball Runners Club." Local players would spare no expense or effort to belong to one of those elite "clubs."

Once his pool hall closed, Sailor had only his cuemaking shop. If he liked you, he would build you a cue that he thought you needed (rather than what you ordered:smile:). If he REALLY liked you, he would try to give it to you with no payment. If he didn't like you, your money would just be returned or refused.

A host of great local players would play on his shop table every day, while Sailor labored over his cues and kept an eye on their play. If you were not a 100 ball runner, you would most likely feel WAY too embarrassed to ever play on that shop table under the watchful eye of all the great players hanging around. After he finished the cuemaking work; Sailor would manicure the table and balls lovingly and painstakingly so that conditions were perfect for the night's play - then he would play or watch the feature matches in the shop. In the early morning, all the players would head to the local all night restaurant where EVERYONE waited eagerly for Sailor to break out the napkins and begin diagramming the shots and situations he had observed during the day - giving the players the benefit of his incredible straight pool knowledge.

When Sailor was a young man, fresh out of the Navy; he dedicated himself to improving his pool game - he was obsessed by the game. He played at least 600 points of straight pool EVERY SINGLE DAY for 8-10 years (he can't remember exactly). He initially carved a little notch (like a gunfighter) on his cue every time he ran 100 balls. He stopped after EIGHT HUNDRED NOTCHES because he was running 100 every day - training himself to do it in 3 tries or less.

Sailor will not tell anyone his high run (he says only 3 people saw it, 2 are in the grave, and one has a foot in it....says high runs are not important). He has many witnessed 300 ball runs - Mark saw him run 100 and out in 3 consecutive games...his opponent quit before Sailor could try for 4:smile:.

Fortunately, I did receive the opportunity to play some 14.1 on Sailor's table against Mark, with Sailor watching (he has a walking cast on one foot and can't play). There was no mistaking the enthusiasm and love he still has for the game - any great shot was rewarded with his effusive praise.

You could tell from the day long reminiscences that Mark Wilson was incredibly grateful for the chance to have been included in the clique of great players around Sailor. He has forgotten more about straight pool than I will probably ever know. While his surroundings are modest, cluttered, and chaotic; there is NO mistaking true pool greatness when you see it. Sailor is truly one of a kind; one of the few old school masters left.

I am truly grateful for the chance to spend some time with him; it has opened my eyes to the extreme amount of dedication and sacrifice necessary if you wish to master this very demanding game. It is more than most of us realize; and it is more than almost all of us are willing to give. It just happens to be necessary though if we wish to achieve greatness.

Very nice tribute, Don. I spent a little time with him in that shop of his and it is just as you say. The first time you come in for a lesson, it is mostly Sailor in your face talking to you about pool. I remember the talk about Pool Buffs and Purists. At his age, he said, he could not waste his time helping you unless you were dead serious about the game. When you went to the table, every shot had to be serious. He did not want you to go up there "wing dinging" the shots in. You had to be concerned about exactly where the cue ball was going. Sometimes, he'd tell me if I kept it up, I would be in danger of getting arrested for impersonating a pool player. Other times he suggested maybe I should go to the local Y and learn how to play volley ball instead. Nonetheless, even though I did not pick up on what he said, he would put up with me. I'd call and talk about straight pool and we'd be talking for 45 minutes or so. I think he did not like that I was learning from others and watching videos and such and figured that too many chefs would spoil the broth, but he put up with it for a while.

When I went up there we would just work on whatever shots he thought I should work on. Usually something with some interesting English and cue ball action. Again, and again and again. I was not ready for straight pool, he said because I did not have any tools in my tool chest. First you needed to develop the tools, then you could work.

Sailor spent a lot of time with Mosconi. Whenever Mosconi was in the Midwest, Sailor would volunteer to chauffeur him around so he could pepper him with questions and watch what he did. Mosconi finally suggested that if he wanted to learn straight pool, he should go see Joe Diehl in Rockford. So Sailor started going to Rockford and learned from Diehl. That is where he also met another good pool player, Charlie Cacciapaglia and a teenager named Dallas West.

For anyone in the neighborhood, he said he will be down at Red Shoes in Alsip, Illinois on July 23 for the World Straight Pool Qualifier. It is being live streamed and I asked him if he would do some commentary and he said he can't promise me anything because he would tell the truth. Maybe his old buddies, George Fels and Freddy the Beard can talk to him a little about straight pool while on the air. George Pawalski will also be there, so maybe. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=236962
 
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A master player

Very nice tribute, Don. I spent a little time with him in that shop of his and it is just as you say. The first time you come in for a lesson, it is mostly Sailor in your face talking to you about pool. I remember the talk about Pool Buffs and Purists. At his age, he said, he could not waste his time helping you unless you were dead serious about the game. When you went to the table, every shot had to be serious. He did not want you to go up there "wing dinging" the shots in. You had to be concerned about exactly where the cue ball was going. Sometimes, he'd tell me if I kept it up, I would be in danger of getting arrested for impersonating a pool player. Other times he suggested maybe I should go to the local Y and learn how to play volley ball instead. Nonetheless, even though I did not pick up on what he said, he would put up with me. I'd call and talk about straight pool and we'd be talking for 45 minutes or so. I think he did not like that I was learning from others and watching videos and such and figured that too many chefs would spoil the broth, but he put up with it for a while.

When I went up there we would just work on whatever shots he thought I should work on. Usually something with some interesting English and cue ball action. Again, and again and again. I was not ready for straight pool, he said because I did not have any tools in my tool chest. First you needed to develop the tools, then you could work.

Sailor spent a lot of time with Mosconi. Whenever Mosconi was in the Midwest, Sailor would volunteer to chauffeur him around so he could pepper him with questions and watch what he did. Mosconi finally suggested that if he wanted to learn straight pool, he should go see Joe Diehl in Rockford. So Sailor started going to Rockford and learned from Diehl. That is where he also met another good pool player, Charlie Cacciapaglia and a teenager named Dallas West.

For anyone in the neighborhood, he said he will be down at Red Shoes in Alsip, Illinois on July 23 for the World Straight Pool Qualifier. It is being live streamed and I asked him if he would do some commentary and he said he can't promise me anything because he would tell the truth. Maybe his old buddies, George Fels and Freddy the Beard can talk to him a little about straight pool while on the air. George Pawalski will also be there, so maybe. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=236962


Dennis it is good that you and Willie have tried to enlighten the world about a real deal, master player, Frank Sailor Stellman. I have known the old rascal for about 50 years and every time he comes to Chicago to sweat a tourn at Red Shoes he brings me, Geo Fels and one or two others a delicious Kugle pastry from Racine. They are like a coffee cake and are mouth watering.
In the 60s Sailor used to come down to Bensingers periodically to play in the tough field, month long, City Straight Pool championships -- that he usually won.

Firstly, he could certainly play. Contrary to some stories, Sailor would bet -- a little. He was never a big gambler, but he did bet if he had to. A lot of road men landed on him up in Racine WI, and didnt like it. They would have to force him to gamble and they would regret that soon after. $100 sets, 10,$20 9 ball. They would gorilla him to bet and then he would bust them. I cant think of anybody that went up there and beat him.

He and I played a few times in Bensingers, $5 pool -- banks only. Sailor runs the balls as beautifully as anybody. Lessons, if you could get them, are highly recommended. He's very old, so you'd better move fast. However, he aint no day at the beach as an instructor. He's like one of those Shaolin Monks, you will be tested severely.
 
Since there is truly not a well-documented pool archives from days gone by, I crave reading pool tales likes this.

You're a good writer. Keep 'em coming. I look forward to more! :cool:

JAM,
Mark Wilson has been working on his pool book for about 17 years...for the last 2 of those years I've been helping re-write it. Mark has dedicated his life totally to pool, and has some great stories included in the book (hopefully will be completed within the next few months). You will definitely like the stories it contains (though you have to wade through a textbook to get to them...though the stories are all in one long chapter).
 
Just a note on my recent trip to visit Frank "Sailor" Stellman in Racine, Wisconsin. Noted cuemaker, player, and instructor. I spent a day with him; not sure I will ever view pool the same way again. Even at age 84, he has a love for the game, so all-consuming that I question whether anyone on this forum has even half of his enthusiasm. He is the epitome of the "pool fanatic" that many on here consider themselves.

I travelled there with Mark Wilson (pro player, instructor, commentator); who, along with many great players like Jeff Carter, Dallas West, and George Pawelski; credits Sailor with helping them achieve proficiency. Sailor was a HUGELY influential figure in the straight pool community, but is so modest and unassuming that he will take no credit for it. He is ALL about love of the game, doing what is best for the game, and PROMOTING EXCELLENCE. In his view there is a progression among players from PARTICIPATOR to POOL BUFF to PURIST. While he wants to promote the game at all of those levels, unless you are a "PURIST", I'm doubtful Sailor will have a very high estimation of you.

His old pool hall (now closed) was a mecca for the serious players. A place where excellence was valued and promoted. Two special tables reserved, one for "50 ball runners", and one for "100 ball runners." Plaques with the prominently named players who belonged to the "50 Ball Runners Club" and the "100 Ball Runners Club." Even one for the "25 Ball Runners Club." Local players would spare no expense or effort to belong to one of those elite "clubs."

Once his pool hall closed, Sailor had only his cuemaking shop. If he liked you, he would build you a cue that he thought you needed (rather than what you ordered:smile:). If he REALLY liked you, he would try to give it to you with no payment. If he didn't like you, your money would just be returned or refused.

A host of great local players would play on his shop table every day, while Sailor labored over his cues and kept an eye on their play. If you were not a 100 ball runner, you would most likely feel WAY too embarrassed to ever play on that shop table under the watchful eye of all the great players hanging around. After he finished the cuemaking work; Sailor would manicure the table and balls lovingly and painstakingly so that conditions were perfect for the night's play - then he would play or watch the feature matches in the shop. In the early morning, all the players would head to the local all night restaurant where EVERYONE waited eagerly for Sailor to break out the napkins and begin diagramming the shots and situations he had observed during the day - giving the players the benefit of his incredible straight pool knowledge.

When Sailor was a young man, fresh out of the Navy; he dedicated himself to improving his pool game - he was obsessed by the game. He played at least 600 points of straight pool EVERY SINGLE DAY for 8-10 years (he can't remember exactly). He initially carved a little notch (like a gunfighter) on his cue every time he ran 100 balls. He stopped after EIGHT HUNDRED NOTCHES because he was running 100 every day - training himself to do it in 3 tries or less.

Sailor will not tell anyone his high run (he says only 3 people saw it, 2 are in the grave, and one has a foot in it....says high runs are not important). He has many witnessed 300 ball runs - Mark saw him run 100 and out in 3 consecutive games...his opponent quit before Sailor could try for 4:smile:.

Fortunately, I did receive the opportunity to play some 14.1 on Sailor's table against Mark, with Sailor watching (he has a walking cast on one foot and can't play). There was no mistaking the enthusiasm and love he still has for the game - any great shot was rewarded with his effusive praise.

You could tell from the day long reminiscences that Mark Wilson was incredibly grateful for the chance to have been included in the clique of great players around Sailor. He has forgotten more about straight pool than I will probably ever know. While his surroundings are modest, cluttered, and chaotic; there is NO mistaking true pool greatness when you see it. Sailor is truly one of a kind; one of the few old school masters left.

I am truly grateful for the chance to spend some time with him; it has opened my eyes to the extreme amount of dedication and sacrifice necessary if you wish to master this very demanding game. It is more than most of us realize; and it is more than almost all of us are willing to give. It just happens to be necessary though if we wish to achieve greatness.


Nice post.

A couple of pics would be cool.

Lou Figueroa
 
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