Jennette Lee
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...and the person she played got a big spot from her...apparently TOO big of a spot! 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Ken - you are a little off. Bartram could give her the 6 ball.
You might have the wrong read here Watchez. I took Ken to mean that JL believed the hype and donated to someone out of the country when she could have just as easily been run over by CB. IMO.
Todd
Sh!t the bums I play with would think 10 dimes meant lets play for a dollar.
The worst part is that one or two might actually wanna play a race to 3 for it
It's a good idea to get these things straighten out beforehand.
One of the best moves ever put on me came from an older fellow who started coming into the pool hall a few years back. Everyone said, he use to be a regular -- an avid 1pocket player, but doesn't gamble much. In any case, he had been kicking around pool halls for a long time.
So one day I asked him if he wanted to knock em around, race to four, for a quarter. He said, "No way, you're too good." So I offered him various spots until finally he said he'd play 10-6. So we played and I won something like 4-2 and I ask him, "Do you want to go again?" And he says, "Sure. I'll go again." And he pulls *a quarter* out of his pocket and lays it on the table.
Lou Figueroa
yes, there was an argument
shortly thereafter
Last I heard, besides the typical "grand" for $1k, $1000 was referred to as "a rack." Hence, when SVB and Pagulayan played for $20K(?), one would say, "They're playing for twenty racks."
Also, another name for money around here among the... er... "hyphy" movement kids is "chips."
I was at the local convenience store last year buying a pack of smokes when I still did. There was a kid with all his friend a register over putting their change together for a swisher. *snicker* No, seriously, like 5 of them were trying to buy 1 swisher...
Anyhow, their friend finally walked in and took over. He threw his cash out and started to walk away, he then turned back around and grabbed his money to see how much he threw down. After counting, a comment followed.
"Oh, sh**! I was boutz ta give dem some dummy ass chips!"
Yes... money is now chips. I think I'll start calling Benjamins Doritos. Then I'll find a name for $1k, using the names off one of those big chip bags, like tostitos?
Kid acted as if the cashier wasn't gonna give him the change or say something like "Hey, you just gave me a benjamin, you need your change."
Silly kids.
I believe the Puerto Rican guy she played first matched up with Breedlove and got drilled, so he probably thought his wife could play him some. They clocked him wrong. He robbed her even the first night for about 10 dimes,(she was getting staked) final score like 16-6. Then they matched up again today for about 15 thou playing 11 ahead but when JL wins a rack she breaks 9 ball, when the guy wins a rack he breaks 10 ball. It took a little longer but the guy got the cheese in about 7 hours. Yeah, it was free money .
1st set 8 ahead I was told ?
I thought I was told his name was Henry?
Broken English from his friend + my bad ears!
Anyway she lost 10k +there was side action !
Next set she lost 10k + Lot of side action! at least 3 K more
I took a photo's of the action and the payoff was right on the table and I took a picture of that also!
Tried to video was politely asked not to by George +Jeanette she thanked me with a air blown kiss!
I will tell you this that guy can play real good and Jeanette was playing super also!
The most impressive was she lost shook hands with him,congratulated him then signed autographs and posed for photos smiling right away!
What lot of class by that pair!
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I thought I was told his name was Henry?
Broken English from his friend + my bad ears!
Anyway she lost 10k +there was side action !
Next set she lost 10k + Lot of side action! at least 3 K more
I took a photo's of the action and the payoff was right on the table and I took a picture of that also!
Tried to video was politely asked not to by George +Jeanette she thanked me with a air blown kiss!
I will tell you this that guy can play real good and Jeanette was playing super also!
The most impressive was she lost shook hands with him,congratulated him then signed autographs and posed for photos smiling right away!
What lot of class by that pair!
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Thanks for the update on the action. Looks like the Puerto Rican contingency has a pleasant visit to the States! :smile:
That's a different Bennie from those with which I became acquainted.... back in the day.
TD,
I will re-post my response from another thread, as I have a minor disagreement with your assessment.
There is a LOT of difference between a "backer" and a "road partner". I'm surprised more people on here haven't made the distinction - the player that backs herself/himself is very admirable in my estimation. There is nothing wrong with having a backer; but I really think it takes a lot of courage to play on your own dime.
Except for a ring game or two at DCC; I am not aware of either GB or JL having a "backer" this century (but hey, maybe this is a new thing for the SBE.....nahh, I doubt it). Road partners are a WHOLE different thing; sharing equally in losses and victories. I hate to contradict T-dog regarding the "backer"; but I'm very skeptical of his assessment as "partners" has been the norm for the past few months as most are aware.
I wonder how many of the critics/skeptics gamble this large on their own dollar......few I think. Remember to include the road partner/partners' performance when tallying up the figures if that is your desire. To demean someones performance by "supposing" that a backer is present is cheap in my view. I think it takes incredible heart to put up your own cash and gamble with players like Fargo, Bergman, Chavez, etc.....spots be damned, I just about hurled the only time I played for $500. To have a partner takes nothing away from such accomplishments in my opinion, to have a backer takes away a LOT of the pressure.
Maybe Jay Helfert will chime in with his opinion on "backer" vs. "partner" as regards pressure on the player.
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I watched the last hour, and spoke with a couple of local friends of Mr. Rodriguez, or Guimo (his nickname), as he is called by his friends. He is a very good player...nice stroke, moved the CB easily, but not letting it go much. I was told that he is second best in the P.R. area he is from (Ponca). I don't know who the best player is. Jeanette was very gracious in losing, and it was kind of ending it's supposed to be...two professional players, gambling big money, paying off, and nobody gets mad.:thumbup:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Very interesting. I like the idea of having a travelling partner to share equally with.
Now I only need to talk Efren and Gomez to join me on a 2-months trip to USA
Thanks for asking Willie. BIG, BIG difference between the two. There are some "top" players who will NOT gamble without a backer. Names withheld for fear of causing great emotional embarrassment
. These players will not risk one dime of their own money under any circumstances. Even if they have thousands in their pocket, you couldn't pry it loose with a crow bar. Do I make my point? Then their are a few players who prefer to bet their own with no backers (Chris Bartram, Darren Appleton, SVB are three I can think of quickly). That way there is no one looking over your shoulder and no one to explain anything to afterward. I happen to be in this mix. I don't like someone else's cheese riding on my cue, just mine and only mine.
And there are many top players who like having someone take a piece of their action, just to lower their overall risk. This is especially true when the bet gets very high, as it did in the matches JL just played. Usually these "partners" only take a small piece of the action, and often it is done as a favor for a friend who wants to be involved. I have frequently taken a 10% piece of some very big bets (in the tens of thousands). Often times a backer or a player will "lay off" part of their action, just because the risk is higher than they want to take on their own. Same thing that bookies do frequently.
When a player like JL lays off a piece of her action with a friend or "partner", it does not diminish her risk. She (and George of course) is still betting her own for considerable amounts of real money. There is no doubt that betting high for your own money takes significantly more courage than playing with a stake horse putting up all the dough.
Of course, the rewards are greater if you bet your own. You get it all if you win! With a stake horse, a player is lucky to get a third in a big game, and often times it is much less. Smart backers have learned that giving up half to the player is a losing proposition. You have to win two out of three times to break even (on similar sized bets). Not a good percentage.
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I think the amount of pressure a person feels depends on the situation. I have had "partners" way more often than ever having a "backer". Sometimes you feel a lot more heat having a "partner" when playing because you know they are counting on you to win to make money. It is also a lot of heat when you have multiple "partners", or a "corporation" because then you blow multiple bankrolls if you lose,
which I've also experienced. I have had a "partner" that I have felt most comfortable with when gambling in pool because he has been doing it his entire life (30+ years) and it is just another day at the office win or lose and if we lose a game together and feel it is a good game we aren't afraid to get right back up in the box and play more. There tends to be a lot more support and comradely in a "partnership" and is easier pressure than a "corporation". Recently, I had somebody "back" me and I felt more pressure than any of the above. The person that "backed" me is not really much of a gambler, and I constantly thought about how sick this guy was going to be if I booked a loser. I have only been staked maybe 3 or 4 times my entire life and really have trouble with handling the pressure of it. I think the main reason is the obvious, if a player loses when getting staked it always allows for people to think it was a dump and this notion causes a player to play timid and worse, at least me. Luckily, I got stuck and then escaped and made a few bucks, so that was good. The least pressure situation for myself is when I'm gambling on my own money and at a comfortable rate that I can afford.Sorry for the long post, but I thought it would be nice to hear it from some of us that have experienced it.
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Thanks for asking Willie. BIG, BIG difference between the two. There are some "top" players who will NOT gamble without a backer. Names withheld for fear of causing great emotional embarrassment
Then their are a few players who prefer to bet their own with no backers (Chris Bartram, Darren Appleton, SVB are three I can think of quickly). That way there is no one looking over your shoulder and no one to explain anything to afterward. I happen to be in this mix. I don't like someone else's cheese riding on my cue, just mine and only mine.
And there are many top players who like having someone take a piece of their action, just to lower their overall risk. This is especially true when the bet gets very high, as it did in the matches JL just played. Usually these "partners" only take a small piece of the action, and often it is done as a favor for a friend who wants to be involved. I have frequently taken a 10% piece of some very big bets (in the tens of thousands). Often times a backer or a player will "lay off" part of their action, just because the risk is higher than they want to take on their own. Same thing that bookies do frequently.
When a player like JL lays off a piece of her action with a friend or "partner", it does not diminish her risk. She (and George of course) is still betting her own for considerable amounts of real money. There is no doubt that betting high for your own money takes significantly more courage than playing with a stake horse putting up all the dough.
Of course, the rewards are greater if you bet your own. You get it all if you win! With a stake horse, a player is lucky to get a third in a big game, and often times it is much less. Smart backers have learned that giving up half to the player is a losing proposition. You have to win two out of three times to break even (on similar sized bets). Not a good percentage.
thanks jay its true.
chris pm sent
You know what people say. :woot:
Many thanks to Jay H., 1on1pooltournys, and Chris B. It is VERY nice to hear from the guys who know.
I have on many occasions been asked to join a partnership or "corporation" with some top players, but have always said I would rather just stick to betting on myself (not always a winning proposition the way I play). I do not have the fortitude to watch my friends battle it out with my money on the line; but I do enjoy the competition.
I have on many occasions been asked to join a partnership or "corporation" with some top players, but have always said I would rather just stick to betting on myself (not always a winning proposition the way I play). I do not have the fortitude to watch my friends battle it out with my money on the line; but I do enjoy the competition.