John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

UPlayLucky said:
Quinten, if you are listening please send Mr. Poolplaya9 an autographed picture of yourself. He would like to hang it in his bedroom.
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i find that most people hang my autographed picture in their toilet
 
chamillionare said:
actually i probably am or was the most naturaly gifted player in the world with any cue any game ask players who have seen me play alot and name a better all around player with more talent i bet you cant with any amount of reasonable logic i was the best all round player no contest

ronnie is a god at snooker and the best ever and i was in awe of his talent but his brain and cue action is wired for snooker and he could never be very good at any other game. who else is there? john smidt if i play pool its garanteed i would own him at all the games except possibly straight pool. although i ran a hundred balls in 5 or 6 goes to warm up during ipt it aint that hard to run a 100 or 150 shit id run 200 in a few weeks no problem playing everyday

you know how many players came up to me in my career and told me this and what your gonna say im no good because i wont come over there and scratch around playing 5 grand comps just to prove myself to people i never meet.there are some real wallys here on this interent site? why dont you start a get quinten fund and back john ill put in 100 dollars to get it started ok and then when you get 30k ill come over and open your eyes to real talent shit i might even learn these other games and clean up all the second rate pro's like smidt
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sir, i dont know you but i do know john. why dont you send a deposit to the actionreport and that will prove your not all show and no go! i in no way mean any disrespect to you, that would end all of the nonsense on your end and force john to put up! so lets see if we get a deposit and a game happens! thanks for your time!
 
poolplaya9 i could respond to your post again but we'd be going round in circles again with a huge ass argument because neither of us would be persuaded otherwise. but fair play for the thought out post, even though i don't agree with a lot of it.

Quenten why not just play him 9-ball? most people agree with you anyway so just go ahead and play him at nine ball. if you are as talented as you say you are then you'll still be able to beat john, who is not even a 'top tier' pro. i believe you've got talent - i've watched you a lot. so why not take on john? besides victory would be all the more sweeter if you beat him at nine ball after all this.

i find that most people hang my autographed picture in their toilet
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and even though i think you're a bit of an ass this is funny lol. next thing i'll be giving you rep...
 
chamillionare said:
actually i probably am or was the most naturaly gifted player in the world with any cue any game ask players who have seen me play alot and name a better all around player with more talent i bet you cant with any amount of reasonable logic i was the best all round player no contest

ronnie is a god at snooker and the best ever and i was in awe of his talent but his brain and cue action is wired for snooker and he could never be very good at any other game. who else is there? john smidt if i play pool its garanteed i would own him at all the games except possibly straight pool. although i ran a hundred balls in 5 or 6 goes to warm up during ipt it aint that hard to run a 100 or 150 shit id run 200 in a few weeks no problem playing everyday

you know how many players came up to me in my career and told me this and what your gonna say im no good because i wont come over there and scratch around playing 5 grand comps just to prove myself to people i never meet.there are some real wallys here on this interent site? why dont you start a get quinten fund and back john ill put in 100 dollars to get it started ok and then when you get 30k ill come over and open your eyes to real talent shit i might even learn these other games and clean up all the second rate pro's like smidt
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I've been following this thread for days and haven't much felt like responding. It looks too much like a match that will never happen.

I have seen Quintan play and he is definitely quite talented, but this last post got me to thinking. If he really wants to make a big score over here, he should not limit himself to playing just John. There is real money to be made in the states for a great player like Quintan. Steve Knight came over from England nearly ten years ago and grabbed over sixty grand.

You see Quintan, we do have many real gamblers over here, who would be glad to accommodate you at a variety of games. And they are mostly "second rate" players like John. There is a young fellow up in New York that never wins any tournaments, but has deep pocket backers. His name is Dennis Hatch. He is rated about John's speed or slightly under. One suggestion though. DO NOT challenge him to a fight. It will be your last if you do. :)

Another young gentleman from Oklahoma named Gabe Owens is constantly on the look out for big games. And then there's Jeremy Jones in Texas, with bundles of cash to be won. And back East Larry Nevil and Stevie Moore would be huge scores if you could beat them at any pool game. In Atlanta you probably could get a ten or twenty thousand dollar Eight Ball game with Cliff Joyner. There are so many chickens to pluck over here, you may want to launch a new pool career.

Even an old man like Allen Hopkins may give you a go at Eight Ball. Or an unknown like Chris Bartram. Or a youngster like Justin Bergman. Just throwing out some ideas for you. If you are half as good as you think you are, you could easily make that $100,000 score that appeals to you. In fact, just come to Derby City in January. I will promise you at least thirty thousand worth of action there. And you won't have to play any famous players either.

Oh and before you ask, I have a few dollars to bet myself. I'm not afraid to gamble either. If you want to play some with Gabe, Cliff or Stevie, we can post thirty grand to kick it off. Come on down and let's have some fun.
 
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I just finished the last 7 pages of this thread and my head hurts.

If John and Quentin want to play we will help set it up, arrange the location and equipment as well as make sure their hotel is covered and they are comfortable with the situation. For this to happen a game and stake has to be agreed on at which time ALL the rules and stipulations would be spelled out on paper and a referee agreed to. Both men would sign the agreement and post a no show deposit to be forefited in the case of a no show or not having the total stake at the time of the match.

Personally I think John is a favorite at anything on a pool table but I happen to dislike 8 ball myself and so I understand his reluctance to play a game he dosent care for. One simple solution would be for Quentin to simply step up and play the winner of the upcoming Schmidt vs Harriman rematch. We will commit to date 4-6 months from now and I am sure both guys would have no problem playing him in the All Around format. He would have time to get in stroke and if the $10K isn't enough for him I am sure we could find a way to sweeten the pot.

This is not a woof. We have proven that we can and will put these things together and no bullshit will be tolerated. If they want to do it all that is necessary is to contact me or Chad.

If Quentin is dead set on playing a high dollar 8 ball set and John isn't interested for whatever reason we know a guy who would probably give it a shot and I have a feeling getting it out of the mud would not be an issue.

We would love to see this go off and will work our asses off to do it if all parties are serious about it. I know John and consider him a friend, I have not spoken with him about this but I am confident in saying that he is not scared.


Justin
 
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UPlayLucky said:
If you believe Quentin then where do you get John is a slight favorite in 8-Ball. I do not know Quentin, so let's believe he is an excellent handicapper.
I have no idea how good of a handicapper Quentin is, nor do I care.

Reading comprehension seems to be a big problem in this thread. I had already answered that question in several previous posts but I'll quote one for you again.
Poolplaya9 said:
Quentin has played exactly two tournaments of American 8 ball in his life, and only practiced it for a few weeks for those tournaments. I know John played the same two tournaments and practiced it as much or more I am sure (Quentin is notorious for being lazy about practicing), and may have even played other American 8 ball tournaments that I am not aware of. John is also more likely to have gambled in American 8 ball, at least on rare occasion. John probably spent some time playing 8 ball when he was still learning to play also. John's straight pool knowledge would help in American 8 ball probably about as much as Quentin's English 8 ball knowledge would help. John almost certainly has the most American 8 ball experience, and he definitely has ALL of the experience with the American style equipment. Even if you were to think that Quentin might have the slight edge in knowledge of the game, it is negated by John's definite edge with the equipment (table and cues).

The bottom line is that American 8 ball is the ONLY game that both players still have relatively little experience with, and that is why it is the most fair test to see who has the most TALENT, not who can win at the game they have all the knowledge and experience in and that their opponent doesn't.
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John is the favorite based on total tournaments played, total time playing the game including practice, knowledge of the game, number of gambling matches played with it, and the familiarity of table type and cue style that John spent 99% of his career with and Quentin spent 1% of his career with.


Thus John is a HUGE underdog based on handicapping provided by the chamillionare.
I don't know of anyone who cares how Quentin has the match handicapped. If Quentin is wanting to play, he is supposed to think he is the favorite. What's the point?
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You say John is one of the best straight pool players in the world but there is also another man with equal TALENT based on the handicapping of the chamillionare.
I don't know who you are referring to, what you are talking about, or how it would have any relevance to this thread.

Also if TALENT is the question, this has already been answered.
Anyone can throw any answer out there, but the most talented can only be determined when they play a fair game or all around. You can also determine what both player's opinion is based on who is willing to play, and who isn't.


DING DING DING the winner of the TALENT competition goes to Mr. Toe.


Let's say we take 3 games, 9-Ball, Straight Pool and 8-Ball. Even if these are the games to be played, based on the handicapping of Mr. Hann himself, he is a HUGE favorite, not a slight favorite but a HUGE favorite at72.2%.

Therefore, John would be foolish to include 8-Ball even in an all around. I believe John offered a 30 ahead set of 9-ball, which would still be a very tough match. Some may say he would be chasing the nuts, at a 40% underdog in this game.

He may need to play a straight pool match because this is the only game where it would be an even match based on the handicapping of the chamillionare, aka Quinten Hann.
Hann is supposed to think he is the favorite if he is going to play. What's the point? The whole line of logic of deciding whether or how to play based on how your opponent has the match handicapped is dumb and does not happen. If you based you actions off of your opponents handicapping, then you rarely play, because your opponent almost always thinks they will win. People play based on whether or not they think they can win, not what the opponent thinks. They couldn't care less about the opponents opinion.
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UPlayLucky said:
Quinten, if you are listening please send Mr. Poolplaya9 an autographed picture of yourself. He would like to hang it in his bedroom.
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LOL. I couldn't care less about Quentin. What I do care about is calling BS when I see BS, keeping things fair, neutral, and without bias, and sticking to the facts.

What's funny is the couple of guys like you that are still swinging from John's sack even when the facts don't support your position, and John is actually one of my favorite players.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Hann is supposed to think he is the favorite if he is going to play. What's the point? The whole line of logic of deciding whether or how to play based on how your opponent has the match handicapped is dumb and does not happen. If you based you actions off of your opponents handicapping, then you rarely play, because your opponent almost always thinks they will win. People play based on whether or not they think they can win, not what the opponent thinks. They couldn't care less about the opponents opinion.
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My point is Quinten believes he can win at every game and has the best of it with the exception of maybe straight pool. But even in straight pool he can run 200 balls before eating breakfast.

I want him to prove it. If I say and think, I can beat you at an unbeatable game, why would you want to play something different. This is what you are asking of John.
 
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Fast Lenny said:
Jennie you look great for your age! ;)
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Thank you, Fast Lenny. :)

This forum has become vulgar, and it is usually the same culprits. Believe it or not, we used to have MORE great threads about pool, players, tournaments, updates, pictures, at one time, than the many in poor taste that you read on here today.

I have seen some great AzBilliards members quit coming to this forum, and it isn't hard to know why. Today, because of some "jokesters," for lack of a better word, I do not enjoy weeding through threads laced with vulgar pictures of women in degrading sexual positions and then having to defend every single word I write against the regular jokesters who do not post anything about pool as a rule. Their sole mission on this forum is to antagonize and argue. You will see their names frequently on flame threads with one-liners and/or pictures degrading some of the great players and legends of pocket billiards.

I mean, my God, people today on this forum are more worried about how much green rep they have and whether they are on the first page of Reputation Rankings, so much so that one poster questioned why my rep level was so high when I had not posted for so long. He just couldn't stand it that I was in the number-two slot, especially since I was not posting. I didn't even pay attention to rep until recently. Nobody else used to either, but today, it seems to be quite important to some members here.

I got news for you, folks. If getting green rep is the highlight of your life, you need to get off of this forum and find a better passtime. Believe me, there is more to life than green rep on AzBilliards. :D

I remember a time, before Mr. Wilson was moderator, when he was one of the BEST contributing posters to this forum, and there are other good pool folk who post on here less frequently, too. It is not hard to figure out why.

I only wrote one post to Quentin because I had remembered his name from the IPT tournament trail, and quite frankly, I wanted him to know that there are some -- not all -- AzBilliards' posters who may enjoy his participation here. It is okay that some may have differing opinions. Sometimes, though, because of the jokesters -- again, for lack of a better word -- it is not possible for some people to enjoy what AzBilliards could have to offer.

I have hung out in many a pool environment in my lifetime, and it takes a lot to insult me, believe me. The disgrace of fornication insults at this stage of my life, a 54-year-old woman, is something I want no part of. I have never intended to put myself on AzBilliards for that purpose, and I do not conduct myself in any manner to warrant such an insult. In fact, some of the younger women who the jokesters rip apart in a degarding manner don't deserve it either.

Good luck to you, Quentin, if you are still following this thread. Do take the advice of some and come to the States and spend a few months. You may find all the action you can muster up. There are some good American pool enthusiasts and players, some of whom do not post on this forum, who will give you all the game you may desire and then some.

So have at me now. Dissect my above-referenced thoughts and turn them into something I had not intended. After all, that's the norm today on AzBilliards, ain't it?!

JAM
 
jay helfert said:
I've been following this thread for days and haven't much felt like responding. It looks too much like a match that will never happen.

I have seen Quintan play and he is definitely quite talented, but this last post got me to thinking. If he really wants to make a big score over here, he should not limit himself to playing just John. There is real money to be made in the states for a great player like Quintan. Steve Knight came over from England nearly ten years ago and grabbed over sixty grand.

You see Quintan, we do have many real gamblers over here, who would be glad to accommodate you at a variety of games. And they are mostly "second rate" players like John. There is a young fellow up in New York that never wins any tournaments, but has deep pocket backers. His name is Dennis Hatch. He is rated about John's speed or slightly under. One suggestion though. DO NOT challenge him to a fight. It will be your last if you do. :)

Another young gentleman from Oklahoma named Gabe Owens is constantly on the look out for big games. And then there's Jeremy Jones in Texas, with bundles of cash to be won. And back East Larry Nevil and Stevie Moore would be huge scores if you could beat them at any pool game. In Atlanta you probably could get a ten or twenty thousand dollar Eight Ball game with Cliff Joyner. There are so many chickens to pluck over here, you may want to launch a new pool career.

Even an old man like Allen Hopkins may give you a go at Eight Ball. Or an unknown like Chris Bartram. Or a youngster like Justin Bergman. Just throwing out some ideas for you. If you are half as good as you think you are, you could easily make that $100,000 score that appeals to you. In fact, just come to Derby City in January. I will promise you at least thirty thousand worth of action there. And you won't have to play any famous players either.

Oh and before you ask, I have a few dollars to bet myself. I'm not afraid to gamble either. If you want to play some with Gabe, Cliff or Stevie, we can post thirty grand to kick it off. Come on down and let's have some fun.
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i agree joy im sure there are alot of great unknown players over there, i never saw dennis hatch play but he consistantly ran lots of racks at ipt and was a name i noticed and larry neval great break and cues alright too. if i ever get real hard up for cash i guess i can always come to the states and earn 60 to 100k its nice to know thanks.

i agree this topic is starting to get boring the 8 ball game is there for john the chicken boy smid in the time frame i mentioned if he wants it. maybe ill play again one day maybe i wont if i do i might take your advice but for now im happy with what im doing
 
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bignasty said:
sir, i dont know you but i do know john. why dont you send a deposit to the actionreport and that will prove your not all show and no go! i in no way mean any disrespect to you, that would end all of the nonsense on your end and force john to put up! so lets see if we get a deposit and a game happens! thanks for your time!
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no i wont be tt ing money to anyone i never meet for a game that is not going to happen and then hope it gets sent back all sounds too unnessasary if john confirms here ill send money to you no prob.

also no one has ever labeled me all show and no go i back up everything i say it is one of the morals i do possess.
plus you should have realised i dont care if people think im full of shit im here to take john's money thats all:cool:
 
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jay helfert said:
I've been following this thread for days and haven't much felt like responding. It looks too much like a match that will never happen.

I have seen Quintan play and he is definitely quite talented, but this last post got me to thinking. If he really wants to make a big score over here, he should not limit himself to playing just John. There is real money to be made in the states for a great player like Quintan. Steve Knight came over from England nearly ten years ago and grabbed over sixty grand. ...........

ditto Jay

Quintan come on down....and don't forget the west coast. There is still plenty of gamble here. California (southern or bay area) is good. There is always Vegas. I hear Arizona is sporty too. If you work your way from East to West we'll know who to put in the box by the time you get here. I know you're succesful and by your own words pool just isn't that much excitement for you. You don't need the money and the dollar is falling in value. Your pounds or (will it be Euro's) will buy many more dollars so it's like getting odds on your cash. I know plenty of 40-50 year olds that don't see as good as a lad of 30, but I know you can get played or they'll empty out trying. I'm sure we can find a game we all like. What about golf? On or off the course. What about one pocket. There are even a few straight pool players that aren't living in fear to play.

Sorry about the run on sentences but a good match gets me a little excited.

Jenny check your PM I have a question for you. I'm so glad you're back. I don't post very often just because of the flack and sexist digs that I have so far been able to avoid. I'm always around lurking though. I didn't even know there was a way to count those green thingies.
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I don't think Quentin has any desire to do the road thing, seems more like a personal thing
between him and John


as far as Quentin's claims of beating John at every game, anyone who gambles knows when it comes down to post up concessions are made on both sides, it's a negotiation and someone who doesn't want to play won't concede anything, someone who wants to play ususally concedes a little

John is a world class pool player, don't see why he can't play a non pool player in 8 ball
 
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This is Daryl Peach......after reading this thread i just wanted to say my piece.

I have not seen John too much, probably because i dont travel to the USA that often. But what i have seen of him is very impressive, a real talent, and such a nice guy......i have never heard him say a bad word about anyone, nor have i heard one said about him (until this thread lol)

Quinten on the other hand in know better, we have been in each others company quite a few times and we even played each other at snooker as juniors (i won! sorry QH had to sneek that in lol)

Firstly, even though quinten said earlier in this thread that i couldnt make it at snooker, then turned to pool and i am world 9ball champ.....yes its true, but i just wanna say that it has took me 13years of playing pool at the top level to become World 9ball Champ, so its not like i just turned up one day and won the WPC.

My view on Quinten....
He is an absolute brilliant cuesport talent, of that there is no doubt.
He reached the top16 of the world snooker rankings without hardly practicing.....i beleive that if he had a better mental approach to the game he would have been top4 easily!......but he often lost his head, and only Quinten knows why that was.
Darren Appleton has already said how good he was at English 8ball (and he knows more than anyone about that game)
And he proved his worth in the IPT too.......i beleive he would have been top 8 if the IPT had have carried on.
All this without hardly practicing.....and i also beleive that if he played solid for 6months at other games i.e 9ball 14-1 etc etc he would be a match for anyone!

He is a massive talent, and the main reason why he is so dangerous is because he is fearless......and i mean fearless.

So i think that if it was IPT rules, Quinten is a good FAV.....8ball on Simonis etc etc....he is still FAV but not as big.
Anyway thats my say on the matter.

See you all in Vegas for the World Masters and the Predator 10ball event.


Daryl.
 
Welcome to the board, Peach, and thanks for chiming in.

Some people try and minimize your achievement, but the fact you made it all the way through the WPC means you play your ass off and accomplished something many players only dream about.

Good luck in Vegas.
 
The Dazzler said:
This is Daryl Peach......after reading this thread i just wanted to say my piece.

I have not seen John too much, probably because i dont travel to the USA that often. But what i have seen of him is very impressive, a real talent, and such a nice guy......i have never heard him say a bad word about anyone, nor have i heard one said about him (until this thread lol)

Quinten on the other hand in know better, we have been in each others company quite a few times and we even played each other at snooker as juniors (i won! sorry QH had to sneek that in lol)

Firstly, even though quinten said earlier in this thread that i couldnt make it at snooker, then turned to pool and i am world 9ball champ.....yes its true, but i just wanna say that it has took me 13years of playing pool at the top level to become World 9ball Champ, so its not like i just turned up one day and won the WPC.

My view on Quinten....
He is an absolute brilliant cuesport talent, of that there is no doubt.
He reached the top16 of the world snooker rankings without hardly practicing.....i beleive that if he had a better mental approach to the game he would have been top4 easily!......but he often lost his head, and only Quinten knows why that was.
Darren Appleton has already said how good he was at English 8ball (and he knows more than anyone about that game)
And he proved his worth in the IPT too.......i beleive he would have been top 8 if the IPT had have carried on.
All this without hardly practicing.....and i also beleive that if he played solid for 6months at other games i.e 9ball 14-1 etc etc he would be a match for anyone!

He is a massive talent, and the main reason why he is so dangerous is because he is fearless......and i mean fearless.

So i think that if it was IPT rules, Quinten is a good FAV.....8ball on Simonis etc etc....he is still FAV but not as big.
Anyway thats my say on the matter.

See you all in Vegas for the World Masters and the Predator 10ball event.


Daryl.
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Daryl,
Cool to see you posting here. Congrats on all your accomplishments. I think you are a class act on and off the pool table from what I've seen much like John. I realize that Quinten is a great talent, nobody is denying that. What I have a problem with is how he can degrade John and his game over and over again and some continue to support him!

I express many opinions on this forum and make a lot of light hearted gestures with posts and pictures. I do this because I do know a lot about the pool world and have been around it a long time. Most of the pictures I post involve players or people I personally know and have been around. I have owned a pool room, been on the road with champions, and in general been around the tournament trail and gambling circles for a long time. I also share a lot of old pool stories and road stories on here along with interacting on a daily basis, so I feel I've earned my right to have an educated opinion on things.

I would like your opinion on the antics of Quinten in this thread and in general since you know both he and John. Some feel thats its ok for someone to act like an ass if they can shoot good pool. I for one do not.

Thanks
 
Welcome on the board Daryl ! Are you always coming next week in Switzerland for the Grand Prix Open? Hope we'll meet there !
 
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