Danny DiLiberto almost died!

SpiderWebComm said:
Does Danny belong in before Jose Parica? Just curious what others think (I don't know myself). I love Danny and wish him the very best health.
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SWC,
My opinion is an unqualified "yes." He has the equivalent of world titles in 9-ball, 8-ball, straight pool, and one pocket; as well as Johnson City titles (tough fields there). I definitely think he has stronger qualifications than several players already in the HOF, and stronger than Parica (though Jose seems certain to eventually get in....I hope).
 
Williebetmore said:
SWC,
My opinion is an unqualified "yes." He has the equivalent of world titles in 9-ball, 8-ball, straight pool, and one pocket; as well as Johnson City titles (tough fields there). I definitely think he has stronger qualifications than several players already in the HOF, and stronger than Parica (though Jose seems certain to eventually get in....I hope).
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The Hall of Fame should never be so political. They should set the bar super high and base it on points, events, and world championships. If you hit the mark, you're IN. End of story. I don't think any player without multiple world championships should ever get in -- but that's my humble opinion.

Well said, Betmore.
 
Williebetmore said:
sjm,
In most part I agree with your position.

A small part of me though (perhaps the pool "purist" part of me) thinks that bar tables will be the death of the real sport which is played on larger tables. To honor people making a fortune off bar table players (though I know that advertising dollars have been spent, and tournament opportunities have been provided) before honoring a player of Danny D.'s accomplishment makes little sense to that part of me.

Perhaps a "Bar Table Hall of Fame" should have Larry and Terry inducted before Danny D.; but NOT the "real" pool HOF. Perhaps its just the order of choice/snubbing that makes many of us sad.
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Awesome I'm all for it lol....do all the bangers pray to larry and terry statues?

Oh terry and larry please bless upon my 4 speed a** a straight stroke, a keen eye, and speed control....

Reply: Yes my child......but first things first, Have you paid your dues? LMFAO
 
First off, I hope Danny makes a full recovery. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met and pool wouldn't be the same without him.

Second, I hope he makes it to the HOF because he deserves it, and it would mean a lot to him.
 
As far as accomplishments on the table go, neither one could hold a candle to Danny. If they want to induct those those guys on "lifetime acheivement" or something, great. But even in that department, I think Danny outshines them. He gives back in the form of lessons, commentary, public appearances, and storytelling/book authoring (all of for which he has received minimal financial compensation unlike the cash-cow known as the APA - not bashing the APA, just stating the irrefutable fact that it's a cash-cow). Had Danny been inducted along with these guys, great. But to think he was snubbed in favor of these guys is a complete travesty. Danny will get his day, but unfortunately it will most likely be post-humously. That's usually the way it works.

Anyway, all the best to Danny. His book was a GREAT read.
 
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nathandumoulin said:
This is the only sport where it's frowned upon if people actually manage to do something successful and make a living. Shame on them for actually making a few bucks!

As for the 23 rule....if you don't like it, than don't play in the league. It's designed for recreational and casual players who want to keep things competitive. Many people enjoy it.

*****ing about it isn't accomplishing much for Danny's sake. I'm not saying leagues are perfect either (far from it), but if you have a better idea, than start your own league.

Anyway, I'm off topic. Best wished to Danny. He will get his place in the HOF in due time. Slandering the BCA certainly won't speed up the process.
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Nathan,
I know you know but some of the readers of this thread may not know that the BCA is NOT a pool league. There is a separate organization called the BCAPL and they are not affiliated with the BCA (Billiard Congress of America).

The APA is a pool league.

Pool Leagues in general, and while I am not currently a member of any, are probably one of pool's most important and valuable assets.

DANNY: I hope the VA is treating you well and I and everyone one AZ Billiards is wishing you a speedy recovery. Thank you for your service.
Sherm, thanks for the update on Danny's health.
 
Danny D

Sorry to hear about Danny and I hope he recovers quickly.

His commentary on Accustats is priceless. Many have learned from just watching the videos.

He has also given plenty of people great instruction in the Windy City. He never pulls his punches and tells you exactly what you are doing wrong, but never in a mean or demeaning way.

I hope to be able to see him in Jersey for the World Straight Pool Championships.
 
I'm amazed at the list of guys continually being left out of the BCA hall of fame. I'm starting to think they leave people off on purpose so that they have greats to elect in the following years. We should take a bet that Parica, Danny Di Liberto, and several others all get elected in seperate years just so they have bigger names everytime. It's almost like they think leaving off GREATS makes the ones who they elect think they are in more prestigious company, they don't realize it just makes them look like a joke and like idiots.

Danny probably robbed someone on the committee and their ego won't let them do what's right! Such a shame.
 
They really ought to have an "industry class" nomination in the Hall of Fame. You're comparing apples to oranges trying to even compare Danny's achievements to Terry's and Larry's.

It would be like running an Academy Award show with Spielberg having to face off against Brad Pitt for an award. Just doesn't really make any sense, does it?

Both parties have their qualifications to receive an award, but are they really comparable? I have my feelings about the APA's motivation and it's a business, pure and simple. Look at Renee Lyle's (APA President) profile on the APA's website. It doesn't say much about pool. It does laud her franchising and marketing skills, her committee skills, her promotional skills, etc., though. She's interested in how many people are playing pool from a dollars and cents standpoint, not who the best road players and gamblers were.

As bad as that seems, it's a necessary evil to keep this game going. If the game dies, it's a moot point who the HOF members were. As much as football fans want to see their favorite multi-million dollar players playing on the weekends, and as much as they enjoy the game of football, without those pesky sponsors and a competent crew of business people behind the scenes setting up the bleachers and sound systems, it wouldn't happen. Think the sponsors are in the mix for their love of the game? Not me... I think it's strictly motivated by how much of their product they sell to football fans, pure and simple.

That being said, I think they are doing a real injustice to Danny, who should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. He shouldn't have to take a back seat to people that he could have beaten like red headed step children at the game that the HOF has been set up to immortalize. He shouldn't have to compete against someone with his pool accomplishments versus their franchise sales accomplishments, even though those franchise sales help keep the game going. Simple solution, an award for industry class so you don't have to compare those apples with the oranges...

One way or another, even in his seventies, I'd still back Danny in a fist fight with the nominating committee! Get well soon, Danny! Pool needs you, HOF, or not!

Steve

(Hoping to see Danny's name on that HOF list soon)
 
God Bless and get well soon Danny. I was so happy to had the chance to see you at the Kamui party in July.

You are truly still a charmer :)
 
danny d get well

i think about you all the time wish we could hang out at the dogs , that was the good old days in phoenix ,you can see how many freinds and well wishers you have hope you can read these posts soon so it will cheer you up,this is tim in case you were wondering who axle was im still in nashville hope to see you at the dcc in louisville,going to try to make it this year maybe we can go to the track a few times if your not to busy with your comenntary for the matches i will try to call you hope you get better talk to you when i can your freind tim the whale shark
 
Thanks

Hunter,

Thank you. Those are the most level-headed and sensible words I've read all day. Danny...get well soon, buddy. See you in Jersey next month.

Ron F


Hunter said:
They really ought to have an "industry class" nomination in the Hall of Fame. You're comparing apples to oranges trying to even compare Danny's achievements to Terry's and Larry's.

It would be like running an Academy Award show with Spielberg having to face off against Brad Pitt for an award. Just doesn't really make any sense, does it?

Both parties have their qualifications to receive an award, but are they really comparable? I have my feelings about the APA's motivation and it's a business, pure and simple. Look at Renee Lyle's (APA President) profile on the APA's website. It doesn't say much about pool. It does laud her franchising and marketing skills, her committee skills, her promotional skills, etc., though. She's interested in how many people are playing pool from a dollars and cents standpoint, not who the best road players and gamblers were.

As bad as that seems, it's a necessary evil to keep this game going. If the game dies, it's a moot point who the HOF members were. As much as football fans want to see their favorite multi-million dollar players playing on the weekends, and as much as they enjoy the game of football, without those pesky sponsors and a competent crew of business people behind the scenes setting up the bleachers and sound systems, it wouldn't happen. Think the sponsors are in the mix for their love of the game? Not me... I think it's strictly motivated by how much of their product they sell to football fans, pure and simple.

That being said, I think they are doing a real injustice to Danny, who should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. He shouldn't have to take a back seat to people that he could have beaten like red headed step children at the game that the HOF has been set up to immortalize. He shouldn't have to compete against someone with his pool accomplishments versus their franchise sales accomplishments, even though those franchise sales help keep the game going. Simple solution, an award for industry class so you don't have to compare those apples with the oranges...

One way or another, even in his seventies, I'd still back Danny in a fist fight with the nominating committee! Get well soon, Danny! Pool needs you, HOF, or not!

Steve

(Hoping to see Danny's name on that HOF list soon)
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First of all, best wishes to Danny DiLiberto for a complete and speedy recovery. From the title of this thread, every post here should be about Danny D getting better...NOT about bashing the APA or Terry & Larry. Sherm has a personal vendetta against the APA (as do several other posters), but it does not belong in this thread. Get well Danny!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
First of all, best wishes to Danny DiLiberto for a complete and speedy recovery. From the title of this thread, every post here should be about Danny D getting better...NOT about bashing the APA or Terry & Larry. Sherm has a personal vendetta against the APA (as do several other posters), but it does not belong in this thread. Get well Danny!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott,
I understand why you feel I have a "personal vendetta" against the APA. I've been very vocal about my experiences with them, but it's not a vendetta, I just harbor a lot of contempt due to many, many bad experiences with them over a 25 year period. I only air my contempt when either someone asks a question or as what happened last night when Danny called me and told me about his health problems and his just learning about the BCA passing over him AGAIN and this time putting Terry Bell and Larry Hubbart in the HOF instead of him. He was very upset which got me equally upset. You're right that the more important issue is Danny's recovery, but the whole HOF thing is a very sore spot for Danny. It cost him the $30k from the IPT as well as the byes which could have made him even more money in a time when he was struggling to survive, as he still is now. I'll try to refrain from starting any flame wars against the APA, but I will continue to answer anyone who asks about it in an honest and forthright manner. I'm not a bitter person but I just can't stand by and see people praise them when I know the real story and have so much contempt for their practice. Enough said! I do hope people will keep Danny in their prayers as he's a fine human being as well as being one of pools true treasures. He deserves better than he's received!
 
I would like to nominate danny d anyone want to second it?

or better yet start an online petition.
 
ottersbro said:
I would like to nominate danny d anyone want to second it?

or better yet start an online petition.
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I of course would gladly second that. BUT I'm afraid when it comes to the BCA, it would just fall on deaf ears! They're only interested in people who put money in their pockets and I've quit doing that years ago.
 
Sherm...Nobody here disagrees with your thoughts about why, when or where Danny D "should" be in the BCA HOF, myself included. That said nobody has died as a result of being "passed over". There are MANY deserving players, many of which are no longer with us, whose case can be made for induction.

This thread is about Danny D's health crisis, and should be about nothing else. If you want to start a flame thread on the HOF issue, go ahead. Just don't confuse it with those of us who just want to wish Danny D good health.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

cuesmith said:
Scott,
I understand why you feel I have a "personal vendetta" against the APA. I've been very vocal about my experiences with them, but it's not a vendetta, I just harbor a lot of contempt due to many, many bad experiences with them over a 25 year period. I only air my contempt when either someone asks a question or as what happened last night when Danny called me and told me about his health problems and his just learning about the BCA passing over him AGAIN and this time putting Terry Bell and Larry Hubbart in the HOF instead of him. He was very upset which got me equally upset. You're right that the more important issue is Danny's recovery, but the whole HOF thing is a very sore spot for Danny. It cost him the $30k from the IPT as well as the byes which could have made him even more money in a time when he was struggling to survive, as he still is now. I'll try to refrain from starting any flame wars against the APA, but I will continue to answer anyone who asks about it in an honest and forthright manner. I'm not a bitter person but I just can't stand by and see people praise them when I know the real story and have so much contempt for their practice. Enough said! I do hope people will keep Danny in their prayers as he's a fine human being as well as being one of pools true treasures. He deserves better than he's received!
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Danny D., get well real soon Bud.

As for the HOF issue, 2011 will be his year, I am certain. If anyone disagrees, you got action!

Best,
Brian kc
 
I just got off the phone with Mary Kenniston who said she talked to Danny after he got out of the hospital, and that Danny sounded great, so that is good news! :smile:
 
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