Post dated checks for final 8 at Master's
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It never ends
It's really a shame....I know that promoters are relying on players to fill the field in order to increase the purse but that's not the way it should be done. If you are advertising a tournament with a certain pot you should have the money beforehand. I understand that he's trying his best to promote the sport but in the long run he's hurting it more than helping it. If you don't have the money, don't have the tournament!....that simple. Can't afford gas don't buy the car! .............What if every other sport operated this way?:angry:
It's really a shame....I know that promoters are relying on players to fill the field in order to increase the purse but that's not the way it should be done. If you are advertising a tournament with a certain pot you should have the money beforehand. I understand that he's trying his best to promote the sport but in the long run he's hurting it more than helping it. If you don't have the money, don't have the tournament!....that simple. Can't afford gas don't buy the car! .............What if every other sport operated this way?:angry:
I will gladly pay you Tuesday...
This type of news is quickly becoming "dog bites man."
This type of news is quickly becoming "dog bites man."
Does this promoter have a history of not ever paying players, or not paying on time as promised?
mlalum
Banned
not good form.
I believe they already got it in the end.
Mark,
Don't you think that playes and spectators will gravitate to the tournaments and promoters like youself that actually do what they say and pay the players??
Seems to me like you have a Golden opportunity to move yourself and CSI up another notch with these latest fiasco's from Anigoni and Behrman.
Russ...
Quit it
Barry
If you hold pool tournaments you should have to POST the Added money, and prorate the added so that you can pay the players that win and come in the top 7 in your events after the winner.
AIR BARREL BARRY ....... AIR BARRELL R0CK ON BARREL
later
Barry
If you hold pool tournaments you should have to POST the Added money, and prorate the added so that you can pay the players that win and come in the top 7 in your events after the winner.
AIR BARREL BARRY ....... AIR BARRELL R0CK ON BARREL
later
Tournament payouts
Russ,
That might be the situation, but I would much rather the players had gotten paid ( by both Annigoni and Behrman) than have it create a 'golden opportunity'.
These situations hurt everybody in the industry. That has to change.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
Russ,
That might be the situation, but I would much rather the players had gotten paid ( by both Annigoni and Behrman) than have it create a 'golden opportunity'.
These situations hurt everybody in the industry. That has to change.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI
It's sad that players are "Forced" to attend an event OUT OF THEIR OR SPONSOR'S POCKET without a guarantee to get paid...
When I say forced is because this was BCA points event and any Pro Players who strive to make to the World Stage must compete in every BCA points event to keep their status in running.
I know it is disappointing that this promoter can't and won't pay the payers on time like his previous events but it is also unacceptable for the 'committee' who made a decision for this to be points event not to hold some responsibility.
Maybe, when promoters fail to pay the players on time, they should lose it's privilege of being BCA points event!
American pool needs to take a step in becoming legitimate sport and I think the time is NOW!
S.G.
When I say forced is because this was BCA points event and any Pro Players who strive to make to the World Stage must compete in every BCA points event to keep their status in running.
I know it is disappointing that this promoter can't and won't pay the payers on time like his previous events but it is also unacceptable for the 'committee' who made a decision for this to be points event not to hold some responsibility.
Maybe, when promoters fail to pay the players on time, they should lose it's privilege of being BCA points event!
American pool needs to take a step in becoming legitimate sport and I think the time is NOW!
S.G.
Its just disgusting to say the least, people always talk about not wanting to lose the US Open 9 ball as its a long running event with history but something needs to be done. If your business plan is not working then you need to figure out another way to make things happen or close up shop.
Interesting thread. I am reminded about what I just posted in another thread about the new pool movie.
We as pool enthusiasts find it difficult that mainstream America doesn't seem to accept pool as a sport. We are, indeed, a minority in this respect when it comes to our attention to pool.
A Chinese man wanted to bring fame to his area by building the largest mall in the world, and he succeeded in building it, but that wasn't enough: Build it and they will come.
I have always been impressed with how Allen Hopkin's Super Billiards Expo pro event player roster not only fills up long before, but there's a waiting list of players eager to compete. I'm not sure what the magic ingredient is that makes players pay in advance to his pro tournament.
The same holds true for Mike Zuglan's $25,000-added Turning Stone Casino tournamaents. They fill up before the day of the event, and there, too, is a waiting list of players hoping to get in.
Barry Behrman continues to pour money and hard work into pool. He's done so for many years. I will continue to applaud his efforts and hope he keeps it going. The U.S. Open is probably my favorite tournament, bar none, because of the atmosphere. Virginia people and their Southern hospitality make it special for me.
I am nothing more than a mere railbird and not a pro competitor in pool. With more and more events going overseas to the ASEAN region of the world, I am cognizant of the fact that the United States continues to pale in comparison when it comes to major pro events on American soil.
It's easy to throw stones at an event when things go awry. Who could have predicted 9/11 when the 2001 U.S. Open attendance suffered?
At least Barry is still out there giving it his all. Yes, it is a disappointment that the players don't get their cheese immediately upon completion, but the success of this event was compromised due to logistics, one being the 2011 World 8-Ball championship occurring within the same time frame.
If you want to throw stones at anyone, it should be the shameful BCA (Billiards Congress of America) organization, the North American representative in professional pool, and the WPA (World Pool-Billiard Association), the "international governing body of pool-billiard sports."
What has the WPA done for American pool lately? They sure do have the WPA representation of its members present at tournaments around the world, and as we all know, expenses to attend world events ain't cheap. That's why we only have a handful of American pros representing the United States. I'd even venture to guess there's more WPA reps at world pool events than actual American pros.
There are three types of people in this world: those who watch things happen (railbirds like me :grin-square
, those who wondered what happened, and those who make things happen. Barry makes things happen, and I hope he keeps it going. With regional tours banning pro players from competing in their tournaments, professional pool need more Barrys in our country. The existing lot of American pro players is continuing to dwindle, in case you haven't noticed.
And speaking as someone who lives on the East Coast, I would like to see more pool happenings out here.
We as pool enthusiasts find it difficult that mainstream America doesn't seem to accept pool as a sport. We are, indeed, a minority in this respect when it comes to our attention to pool.
A Chinese man wanted to bring fame to his area by building the largest mall in the world, and he succeeded in building it, but that wasn't enough: Build it and they will come.
I have always been impressed with how Allen Hopkin's Super Billiards Expo pro event player roster not only fills up long before, but there's a waiting list of players eager to compete. I'm not sure what the magic ingredient is that makes players pay in advance to his pro tournament.
The same holds true for Mike Zuglan's $25,000-added Turning Stone Casino tournamaents. They fill up before the day of the event, and there, too, is a waiting list of players hoping to get in.
Barry Behrman continues to pour money and hard work into pool. He's done so for many years. I will continue to applaud his efforts and hope he keeps it going. The U.S. Open is probably my favorite tournament, bar none, because of the atmosphere. Virginia people and their Southern hospitality make it special for me.
I am nothing more than a mere railbird and not a pro competitor in pool. With more and more events going overseas to the ASEAN region of the world, I am cognizant of the fact that the United States continues to pale in comparison when it comes to major pro events on American soil.
It's easy to throw stones at an event when things go awry. Who could have predicted 9/11 when the 2001 U.S. Open attendance suffered?
At least Barry is still out there giving it his all. Yes, it is a disappointment that the players don't get their cheese immediately upon completion, but the success of this event was compromised due to logistics, one being the 2011 World 8-Ball championship occurring within the same time frame.
If you want to throw stones at anyone, it should be the shameful BCA (Billiards Congress of America) organization, the North American representative in professional pool, and the WPA (World Pool-Billiard Association), the "international governing body of pool-billiard sports."
What has the WPA done for American pool lately? They sure do have the WPA representation of its members present at tournaments around the world, and as we all know, expenses to attend world events ain't cheap. That's why we only have a handful of American pros representing the United States. I'd even venture to guess there's more WPA reps at world pool events than actual American pros.
There are three types of people in this world: those who watch things happen (railbirds like me :grin-square
, those who wondered what happened, and those who make things happen. Barry makes things happen, and I hope he keeps it going. With regional tours banning pro players from competing in their tournaments, professional pool need more Barrys in our country. The existing lot of American pro players is continuing to dwindle, in case you haven't noticed.And speaking as someone who lives on the East Coast, I would like to see more pool happenings out here.
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old school way
Around here in the mid 70s we played a lot of 5 or 6 ball.
After each game money would hit the table.
I see a lot of threads about improveing the image of pool and the next page shows all the negativity. Will this sport ever move forward?
Is there no one responsible for takeing care of the money and makeing the payouts? take care, johnQBS
Around here in the mid 70s we played a lot of 5 or 6 ball.
After each game money would hit the table.
I see a lot of threads about improveing the image of pool and the next page shows all the negativity. Will this sport ever move forward?
Is there no one responsible for takeing care of the money and makeing the payouts? take care, johnQBS
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Kind of, yes
In 2007 (?) when Alcano finished 2nd he got paid $20,000, even though the invite and posters said $25,000 for 2nd. (I believe az'er "marvel" also finished in the money this year, and can tell you that he got less than advertised).
Barry doesn't pay the winners on time, instead he pays them months later. That's no good, imo. The players need to pay all their expenses upfront, wonder what Barry would say if I asked him to pay the entry in February next year cause I'm waiting for some deals to go through...
Sounds like barry takes out the taxes himself!
Why don't the players organize or a savior step forward for pool? The answer is simple really. There are a percentage of people in this game that are scum. Some run events. Some play in them. They are rude, uncouth, and for the most part just an arrest warrant from being a convicted felon. In fact many of the worshiped players are just that. Pool at the grassroots level is run by knucklehead room owners as described in another thread. A guy jumped on a table that someone was already playing on. He was charged a single player rate. The room owner made an extra $4 but lost a $1200 a year customer.
I love playing pool but I am not proud of some of the characters that populate the game. But what can you expect when the hero's of the game are people that would lie and cheat to steal some working guys $20.
Bob
I love playing pool but I am not proud of some of the characters that populate the game. But what can you expect when the hero's of the game are people that would lie and cheat to steal some working guys $20.
Bob
Maybe one reason the field was so small is because it was call shot 10 ball / spot the 10 if it goes on the break.
Now I'm no great player, and I'm certainly no lover of any rotation game, so I really don't know how the masses of players out there feel about these games, and their rules, but it still seems to me that the more luck you remove from the game, the less likely lower rated players would be willing to send in their entry fees knowing their chances of advancing are even less than they would be in the US Open 9 ball. They did take quite a bit of the poop factor out of the game.
Still 50+ was strikingly small.
Now I'm no great player, and I'm certainly no lover of any rotation game, so I really don't know how the masses of players out there feel about these games, and their rules, but it still seems to me that the more luck you remove from the game, the less likely lower rated players would be willing to send in their entry fees knowing their chances of advancing are even less than they would be in the US Open 9 ball. They did take quite a bit of the poop factor out of the game.
Still 50+ was strikingly small.
What a joke!
What happens if he files bankruuptcy????
Archer needs to man up and drop the hammer!!! In fact all the Mosconi Cup members need to drop the hammer!!!!! They are the big name players and no big NAMES then no fan turn out!!!!
Did it ever dawn on anyone that prior payment issues could be behind the poor turn out!!! Maybe market saturation!!!
The ultimate 10 ball promoter has his MONEY posted and deserves a good player Turn out in response!!!!!
Archer and behrman could work something out to allow barry not to POST! But, that is a profit sharing agreement between the players in archers organization and the promoter. That requires barry to open up the us open financial BOOKS and HE AIN'T DOING THAT!!!!!
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust another promoter bites the dust!
KD
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What happens if he files bankruuptcy????
Archer needs to man up and drop the hammer!!! In fact all the Mosconi Cup members need to drop the hammer!!!!! They are the big name players and no big NAMES then no fan turn out!!!!
Did it ever dawn on anyone that prior payment issues could be behind the poor turn out!!! Maybe market saturation!!!
The ultimate 10 ball promoter has his MONEY posted and deserves a good player Turn out in response!!!!!
Archer and behrman could work something out to allow barry not to POST! But, that is a profit sharing agreement between the players in archers organization and the promoter. That requires barry to open up the us open financial BOOKS and HE AIN'T DOING THAT!!!!!
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust another promoter bites the dust!
KD
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